Ep. 780: A Year of Hunting and Fishing

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Speaker 1: T L I t E dot com. Everybody, this episode is brought to you by Ram Trucks. And that’s not all because we’re dropping a brand new season of me Eater, the TV show, And uh, that’s brought to you by Ram Trucks. Nothing stops Ram, Okay, And in commemoration is that a.

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Speaker 2: Good way to say that commemoration.

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Speaker 1: Since we’re dropping a new season of me Eater, we’re there day about like I can’t even tell you how many we’ve made.

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Speaker 2: I used to know.

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Speaker 1: I remember, like you weren’t even probably born yet one hundred, probably weren’t even born yet, it was born, and we hit one hundred episodes.

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Speaker 2: I remember how old were you?

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Speaker 3: What was the first season, like eleven twenty eleven?

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don’t know.

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Speaker 1: I remember we were somewhere and someone said, dude, that was we just finished. I think we were in a Laska or something and someone said, we just finished our one hundredth episode, and what’s it a now.

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Speaker 4: One forty four? Season one was twenty twelve, goll Lee.

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Speaker 2: Twelve I started. My first season was season eight.

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Speaker 1: I know that when we started, I had one kid and he was real little. Now he’s bigger than me and I got three.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Put that new trivia question, how many kids do you have?

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Speaker 2: Steve?

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Speaker 1: What we’re gonna do to kick things off? As I asked Spencer, because like, I don’t know how many we made. I asked Spencer to take his trivia mind and pull up a handful of trivia questions about sort of the the scope and breadth of the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that we’ve been involved in. We’ll learn something about it.

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Speaker 1: That’s worked on many men. How many episodes have you worked on?

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Speaker 2: I don’t know, Like I said, I started the second episode of season eight, so I missed that doll sheep hunt and started at Washington ELK. And then they’ve been you’re there. I’ve been on every episode except like I think two May I think two I missed.

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Speaker 4: Season eight debuted October twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Look at that, that’s when it debuted. But we yeah, I started, you were filming in eight. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That’s the thing I find all the time is uh, I can’t remember who was where for what. Like for a long time, Yanni was always produced. Yanni produced, Yanni produced fifty of him or something, and so us being like nuts on a dog. You know, anything that happened, I’d be like, I’d assume Yanni had been there. But then’s something that happened Yani, I wasn’t there because I just knew that everything that ever happened to me, he was standing there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it’s been a while since he’s been your side.

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Speaker 1: Kick, I know, so now anything that happened me, I just assumed Seth was there because of that pattern of trade.

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Speaker 3: It’s been going on so long. He doesn’t even remember I worked on there.

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Speaker 1: No, I remember Brody worked on the crew. Yeah, Brody’s crew. Brody was a Wilderness production assistant, which is the thing we trademarked.

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Speaker 2: He was in front of the camera.

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Speaker 1: He’s been in front of the camera.

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Speaker 2: That’s how a lot of people get to start. So Yanni gotta start. Yanni Brody, Dirt, Dirt Me and Chester. Now Chili’s doing some of that.

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Speaker 1: All started out as wilderness production assistants. Yanni very quickly went from being a wilderness production assistant who didn’t realize he was being paid. I was like to tell that story.

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Speaker 2: He thought he was.

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Speaker 1: There hanging out for fun, and then someone handed him as like W nine or whatever, and he was confused because he thought he thought he was hanging out. And it was like a week later he was like, the producer of the show, what do you call that? Within an organization? We’re just like a quick trajectory in those days, because no one worked here. Yeah, and then he went out to do a million of them.

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Speaker 4: Hit me with a question, question one. We’ve got five of these questions in a tie break.

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Speaker 2: We’re doing trivia. Now, we’re doing trivia.

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Speaker 1: No, we’re doing trivia. It’s about the Breath Meeting series because we’re launching right now, we’re launching six new episodes. We’re going to touch on what those episodes are in a minute, but we’re launching six new episodes of me Eater. We used to do in the old days, the way we used to rack up a lot of numbers is when we first started doing the show, we would make sixteen in a year.

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Speaker 2: That’s a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be gone more than I would be away from my fan more than some years. I’d be away from my family more than half of the nights. One time, I got in a fight with my wife about how much I’m gone, and I’m like that probably third of the time. She says half the time. I’m like, that can’t be true. And I went back in you know, like Google calendars, I can go back in time. So I went back in time to January one of the year, and I started just counting nights away, and I remember getting hitting one eighty. I got into November and hit one eighty, and I thought to myself, man, we were going a lot in December. So I quit counting. Never did count quit counting and said, you know, you’re right, yeah, but that’s why it’s so much more civil to make just a half dozen in a year.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen in a year.

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Speaker 4: Is a lot, family, man, now, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well they’re little babies, it feels different like you kind of need to be there. But when they get older, you just feel a little it’s just a lot more going on, man, you do a lot more consulting, more than just diaper changing. You know what I’m saying you probably, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 1: When there’s super little babies, it’s like a lot of chores.

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Speaker 3: Unless you just like want to be around with them, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I would still be upset, Like I still cry and shit going out of town, but like now you kind of you just got to be there to consult.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but didn’t you get in trouble for like getting upset when you were leaving?

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Speaker 2: Yep?

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Speaker 1: I got yelled at by my wife for getting upset leaving. She said, you’re going to give these kids like a mental problem acting like that. And then uh, and she came up with this rule that it was a great rules. She came up with a rule. If it’s not going to be a big deal when you go away, it’s not going to be a big deal when you get home. Meaning there’s no like banners and shit that say welcome home. It’s like you get in and you got to merge onto the lane, like what’s going on? Put the duvet cover on, bring this kid there? Clean this fix that. No, Like, no, it’s not like, oh, daddy’s home. What One day she bathed me in she said, uh, she said she was. I came home and I was kind of tired, in a bad mood, and She’s like, if you need to go spend a night in a hotel just to readjust and then come home, then that’s what you.

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Speaker 2: Ought to do.

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Speaker 1: And I’m like, really, I’ll come home and check into a hotel and be like, hey, baby, just letting you know. I’m in town, just gonna kick it, watch some movies, like maybe get a beer in my bodies and stuff, and I’ll.

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Speaker 2: Be home tomorrow. Cool. That the wrong call, Yeah, I’ll this is the actual This is the actual suggestion as a test, to which I said.

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Speaker 1: Oh, sweetheart, I would never do that. Yeah, but I held it together.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh. Maybe hit me thirteen seasons? Hit me?

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Speaker 4: Which of these critters has been hunted the most on Meat Eater, Elk, white tail, turkey, mule deer. I know that five questions all about the Meat Eater TV show, one.

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Speaker 1: Hundred and forty episodes. Which was hunted most?

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Speaker 4: Which of these critters has been hunted the most on Meat Eater, Elk, white tail, turkey, mule deer. Steve very confident.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you a quick story. Why these guys think yea, yeah, I don’t think. When we started the show, there was a guy that we used and uh, he was trying to sell some aver we had we used to get like advertisement space, and he was trying to sell some advertisement space and he was adamant. He said, you can’t do a hunting show that’s not ninety percent white tail.

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Speaker 2: It won’t work.

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Speaker 4: You showed him, showed him again. Which critter has been hunted the most? Elk, whitetail, turkey, mule deer. That’s the world tip Steve Gay a little tip he did. You boys already have your answers. Go ahead and reveal your answers. Seth Turkey, Steve Turkey, Brodie Turkey, Turks. The correct answer is mule deer, but really mule deer. Mule deer have the most hunted animal on meat Eater being featured on eighteen episodes serious. That’s followed by elk at thirteen, turkey and white tail at twelve. Black Bears have been hunted on fourteen episodes, moussan ten, caribou on eight, blacktail on seven, and Cou’s deer on five. So mule deer eighteen, Turkey, and white Tail twelve.

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Speaker 3: That’s like more than one mule, like avergring, more than one mule. Deer hunt A season.

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Speaker 2: That had a lot of that came early.

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Speaker 4: I think you’ve got multiple like part one in part two.

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Speaker 1: Well, that a little bit surprised me, and I feel better because I find that people don’t really want to watch people hunt turkeys. Ah okay, so it feels better than we haven’t made so many turkey episodes.

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Speaker 2: Fourth place, Turkey’s four.

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Speaker 1: People like hunting turkeys, but they don’t want to watch you hunt turkeys.

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Speaker 2: I don’t know watching people.

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Speaker 3: They watch people hunt turkeys when that thing comes in, I’d.

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Speaker 1: Like to watch people get charged by leopards.

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Speaker 2: I think we should just well that’s what i’d watch. If someone was like, Seth, what what should we do for a season of Mediator, I was like, let’s just do all turkey hunts all time. Spring season.

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Speaker 1: Me and Seth are gonna film a turkey hunt this spring at a secret spot.

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Speaker 2: How you can’t even say the state sure.

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Speaker 1: Starts with the O A cave.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that’ll be fun. If I get one there, it’ll complete my slam.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it’ll be fun. So it’s a rio you’re looking for.

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Speaker 1: It’s the okay corral.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, you guys are gonna have to keep your own scores here.

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Speaker 2: We don’t have a field.

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Speaker 1: You have to sort that out, Seth. We got to pick some dates and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: Man Zero’s across. Doesn’t you know what doesn’t get hunted? Wow?

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Speaker 1: Wow, Spencer, you know all that conversation goes doesn’t get hunted.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there’s a reason.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite doesn’t get hunting stories is we’re filming, but we go down to that we’re hunting this ranch and Sonora and uh and they’re like, oh, yeah, no one hunts his ranch. No one hunts is ranch. The first deer we kill has a bullet lodge in his knee. Ooh, it’s like someone’s hun trying to hunt.

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Speaker 4: Question two, When did Yannis make his first cameo on Meat Eater?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I know that season one, season two, season three, or.

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Speaker 2: Seasons Oh, I can tell you the episode. Yeah, I gotta tell you the episode. Looking for the season.

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Speaker 4: When did Yannis make his first cameo on Meat Eater season one, season two, season three, or season four? Steven Seth know it down to the episode.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I put a very important quote okay from that episode. Okay, but I don’t I honestly don’t know the number it was.

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Speaker 4: Uh, Steve is writing down the episode just for the hell of it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So can I tell the story when how everybody fell in love with Yannie?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So we were we were filming in Alaska. I had drawn a I had drawn like a like most of Alaska with doll sheep. Most of Alaska’s over the counter, like doll Sheep’s typically over the counter, but Alaska has some limited draw units for doll sheep. And I drew a limited draw unit. And my brother Danny, lives in Alaska, so I don’t need I’m outside of the guide requirement. I don’t need to have a guide, right, And and I drew a limited draw unit. And we were trying to find we were like looking for a WPA, someone to just carry gear and backpack hunt with us. And Yanni’s wife is a botanist and she was doing work up in Fairbanks. And I didn’t even really know him, not that I didn’t not, I didn’t know him at all, but my wife knew him becausey grew up together. So I got connected with Yanni and We’re like, Hey, we’re gonna go do X, Y and Z. Do you want to come? He’s thinking he’s just going to hang. But we did that and then we went do another thing and he made everybody with creek water. He made cheesecake, Oh, pills Bear cheesecake. I don’t know how he did it, and that he like had some little backcountry cheesecake preparation, and I’m like, I love that guy. And so we just started hiring them all the time, and that was when he had his cameo.

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Speaker 4: It’s a good addition to his resume. You know, he’s ready reveal your answers. We have seth saying season four, smell me now, lady, Steve says two brooks range Cariboo, and Brody says, two, what’s that say?

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Speaker 3: Carabo cariboo?

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Speaker 4: The correct answer is season two. Steve and Brody got that right. Giannis shows up for three seconds on season two, episode eleven. He spawns a grizzly wandering around camp while Steve and Tim Ferris are glass and Cariboo. Giannis doesn’t even get a speaking part in the show. Steve simply refers to him quote one of our camera men. Giannis Steve, what else do you remember about that hunt?

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Speaker 1: We had a lot of problems with bears, not problems, but in that area, this is the Western Brooks Range, it’s very hard and very expensive to get there, and so they’re like you you’re encountering a lot of animals that that just have never seen a person, like like it’s it’s very reasonable that when you see caribou, they’ve never they don’t have any idea what you are. And the grizzlies have very low like like you could be a four or five year old grizzly or whatever and you’ve never seen a person one hundred percent. So when they see something moving, they just they’re going because they’re gonna go, and they’re like, I don’t know, it’s probably something to eat, you know what I mean. So they’re like, like bears are just drawn to stuff. So when they’re coming through and they see any kind of activities heading over, So we had a number of little bear we were shooting shotguns try to get barrier away from our meat stash, and just they just because in those areas, they’re just like they don’t have any fear.

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Speaker 2: It’s an action packed episode.

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Speaker 4: I think you guys killed two cariboos and you run off two grizzlies in the same episode.

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Speaker 2: That’s a cool area.

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Speaker 1: I’ve been back during a long time, and that area got that that area later got closed non to non federal subsistence hunting.

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Speaker 3: Is that the porcupine herd?

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Speaker 1: Or is that the no no porcupine herds and the open again?

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Speaker 2: Or not not.

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Speaker 1: Sure where it sits right now with you, I should know that.

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Speaker 4: I think you guys caught some grayling in that episode too. They look very eager to eat your food and then hunting moose up in that region. Johanni’s first appearance again, season two, episode eleven. Question three, Which episode from season six has the most views on YouTube? Is it Idaho mule deer with cal Wyoming beaver butchering a whole deer or British Columbia grizzly bear. Which episode from season six has the most views on YouTube? Idaho muill deer with cal Wyoming beaver butchering a whole deer or British Columbia grizzly bear?

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Speaker 1: Dirt? That was Dirt’s Well, I’m giving the answer away, Okay, I think I know the answer, all right, I’ll wait till I know. This will be like, you know, you have like a tidbit shit I do. If I get it right or wrong, this will be the tidbit.

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Speaker 4: Which episode from season six has the most views? Idaho mu will deal with cal Wyoming beaver butchering a whole deer, British Columbia grizzly bear.

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Speaker 1: This bench needs a fresh coat of paint.

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Speaker 2: It needs a lot of things.

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Speaker 3: You know, No people pay for him to look like that. That’s like, you know, there’s.

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Speaker 1: This guy and I think he might be here in this state. This is the most the craziest thing I’ve the most corrupt. Like, there’s a guy that goes around buying gloves and sells because let’s say you’re some whatever. He buys gloves and sells what he calls ranch worn gloves, so that if you’re some candy ass, you can get gloves that made it that look like you’ve worked a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Good market for him here.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that’s like buying a cowboy has like a sweat sweatband.

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Speaker 2: It’s kind of sad to know that people actually buy that stuff. Yeah, this would be a good business.

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Speaker 1: You’d like get some kids that you get some ranch kids and be like, listen, dude, I want you to wear each of these hats for one week. Just sweat it up, sweat it up, and then switch to the next because I sell them and I want to have hass to look like ranch kids war them because of those side business for ranch kids.

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Speaker 2: All right, reveal your answers.

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Speaker 4: We have seth saying Idaho mule deer with Cal Steve with the same answer. Brody says, butchering a whole deer nobody got that was there? Butchering a whole dear nobody got it? Though the correct answer is British Columbia grizzly bear. Really oh, the British Columbia Grizzly Hunting has five point nine million views, Butchering a Whole Deer has two point three million. Idahomulees with Cal has one point eight million, and Wyoming beaver is one point one million. That grizzly hunt is one of meat Eater’s most viewed videos, despite their being no grizzly killed. See what do you remember about that episode?

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Speaker 1: I remember we went back. We tried it again that same year, No, the next year, next two years we went back. Just I remember, I can’t remember what we saw like thirteen or fourteen grizzly bear. Oh we’re watching to meet in ground squirrels.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: It was amazing At one point, I think it was that trip. Yeah, that trip. One point. Also there’s a we were in a mountain. We were in the over the counter mountain goat unit and there’s a mountain goat standing there, but we didn’t have tag. Next year brought him mount and goat tag and they couldn’t find the mountain go We had a hell of the times.

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Speaker 2: Why didn’t want to grizzies running around all over the place?

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Speaker 4: Why did it one of those thirteen grizzlies die.

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Speaker 1: Because we were trying to find a big smoker.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you had opportunities.

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Speaker 1: Lots of opportunities. And in fact, the second time he went up, I even later sent the video to a lot of people. The second time he went up. And when we got in that area, immediately here comes a board like what I view to be not a big boar, but I view to be like a board like a male grizzly rolling right through two three hundred yards away. But no, we hit it twice hard and then you couldn’t hunt that unit anymore for grizzlies.

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Speaker 3: Well, you can’t hunt any of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because BC closed this grizzly hunt, which everybody was having a shipfit about. I had a shipfit about it, but we hit it two years in a row. Cal was guiding for that guy. So Cal was like my guide, which is totally fun.

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Speaker 4: Could you kill a sow on that hunter or not?

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Speaker 1: They don’t like it. Oh you can, but it messes up. It messed up the quota system.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is that when you got charged?

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Speaker 1: We got charged in. We got charged right off the bat. And then we had another bear. We were shooting rocks in front of it, and it was coming to look at what we were shooting. Like you’d shoot he was coming to tartus. You’d shoot a rock and he’d walk over to see what the rock was.

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Speaker 2: How exposed were those bears to humans? Pretty exposed?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, pretty exposed.

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Speaker 4: I think that the lesson there is, if you want more views, you just got to put grizzly in the.

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Speaker 2: Title, sure the show, no matter what people want.

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Speaker 1: That. Yeah, Illinois Grizzlies.

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Speaker 3: It’s like white Tails. You just do a season and nothing but grizzlies, all right.

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Speaker 4: Question four after Alaska. Which state has been the setting for the most episodes of Meat Eater? Is it Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, or Michigan. After Alaska, which state has been the setting for the most episodes of Meat Eater? Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, or Michigan.

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Speaker 2: What was number one? Uh?

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Speaker 4: Tech, Alaska is number one. We’re looking for number two. Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, or Michigan. This is question four right now. Steve and Brody both have a point Seth has zero.

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Speaker 1: God, He’s getting beat no matter what he does, he gets beat.

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Speaker 2: A lot of these questions are just pre my time, that’s sure.

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Speaker 1: How you know he was still riding around and his pap he’s on?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: After Alaska? Which day it has the most? Has been the setting for the most episodes of Meat Eater? Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, Michigan?

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Speaker 2: Seth, Are you ready?

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Speaker 1: Is that where I hit myself with the chainsaw?

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Speaker 2: That’s a close call right there, Jesus man, do you believe that man’s that could have been bad? Yeah? Real bad?

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Speaker 4: After Alaska? Which state has been the setting for the most episodes of Meat Eater? Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, Michigan. Reveal your answers we’re set saying Montana. Steve Montana, Brodye Montana. You guys got it, It’s Montana. There have been thirty two episodes filmed in Alaska, Wow, twenty three in Montana, and seven in Texas. That’s followed by New Mexico, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Colorado, Hawaii, and Idaho. That means twenty two percent of med Eater episodes have been filmed in Alaska. Hmm, Alaska, Montana, Texas. Those are your top three across North America, the whole continent.

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Speaker 3: You got there, that makes sense your favorite place to hunt?

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Speaker 1: Probably I like going there.

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Speaker 2: You go for big states. It’s true. All right, we are going into question. Do you apply in California for tags?

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Speaker 3: Me?

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Speaker 1: No, If there’s one like muled, your tag you can out draw. That I apply for in California can’t be drawn.

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Speaker 2: It is. I don’t even think of California.

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Speaker 1: But I’m gonna when I draw that Mulder tag.

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Speaker 4: I just spent a week in northern California redwoods and last and volcanic and that got me interested in hunting California, specifically driving through Wine Country. I desperately now would like to find a permission to hunt a vineyard and then go kill a blacktail there.

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Speaker 1: I can help with your problems. What do you want to hunt there?

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Speaker 2: Anything? Anything?

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Speaker 1: How can they come talk to me about this?

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Speaker 2: Because I just.

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Speaker 4: Had this like epiphany a week ago. It’s now on my radar and it never had I’m gonna talk to you. Question five. Steve and Brody have two points, Seth has won. This is the final question. Okay, either way, you boys have a one point lead on Seth. Question five, What is the name of Kevin Murphy’s homemade wine that he serves Steve on season six episode nine? Is it Old Squirrel Dog, Shotgun, Shine, Acorn Reserve or Vintage Venison?

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Speaker 2: What is the name Vin Murphy’s head.

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Speaker 4: What is the name of Kevin Murphy’s homemade wine that he serves Steve on season six, episode nine, Old Squirrel Dog, Shotgunshine, Acorn Reserve or Vintage Venison.

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Speaker 1: Dude, I don’t I don’t think I knew this the moment after you said.

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Speaker 4: It’s h Kevin has a very nice duct tape label on this bottle. Now, when was this from season six, episode nine, So that would have been what like twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen somewhere in there, Old squirrel Dog, Shotgunshine, Acorn Reserve, vintage Venison.

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Speaker 2: Boys. Ready reveal your answers.

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Speaker 4: We have sec saying shotgunshine, Steve, Old squirrel Dog.

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Speaker 1: Me and Brody to the opposites. Brody, I scratched out shotgunshine to put old squirrel Dog. He scratched out old squirrel Dog with shotgunshine.

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Speaker 4: So we have shotgun shine, Old squirrel Dog, and uh vinted shotgun shot. The correct answer is old squirrel Dog. Steve got right. He knows the most about his own TV show. Kevin Murphy cooks up squirrel biscuits and gravy for Steve and then busts out a bottle of Old Squirrel Dog number nine. He declares that this batch had ten bottles and that it’s pretty dang sweet. The wins label is made of duct tape and says quote more bark, less bite and hand crafted go Kevin Murphy’s wine. We have a tie breaker. I’m not gonna use this. We could do it anyway. How many stars does meat Eater have? From two hundred and fifteen Google reviews me the TV show?

00:25:44
Speaker 2: What’s the five? Five out of five?

00:25:47
Speaker 4: And it’s to a decimal point so it’s playing its number point number. How many stars does medieater have? From two hundred and fifteen Google reviews, This is meaty do the TV show?

00:25:59
Speaker 1: Where do you go to do that? At one Google you.

00:26:01
Speaker 4: Type in meat Eater TV show review. It’s the first thing they show you. People with their full ass names on there leaving Google reviews, so they love or hate what you got going on?

00:26:13
Speaker 2: So how many stars? Is everybody ready? Reveal your answer?

00:26:17
Speaker 4: Seth four point eight, Steve three point eight, Brody four point six.

00:26:22
Speaker 2: Brody’s the closest.

00:26:23
Speaker 4: It’s four point four four point four two hundred and fifteen Google reviews. Here’s a one star Google review.

00:26:30
Speaker 2: Please.

00:26:30
Speaker 4: This guy is not a hunter whatsoever. His white tail hunting in Texas is a joke. He’s not hunting wild deer. They’re basically livestock. They’ve never seen a hunter. I literally almost ripped my hair out watching him rattle as much as he did. Any wild deer in that area with that much rattling would be gone. And the decoy he used was actually hilarious. Again, any wild deer would bolt at the first glance at that thing. The icing on the cake was when he was rattling at a buck that started running away, spook, and he continued to rattle at it. This dude does not should not have a hunting show. It’s trash. That review rattled in thirty two Bucks.

00:27:09
Speaker 2: Say, did he say anything about the other guy that was on at us?

00:27:12
Speaker 4: That was Mark Kenyon who left that ref. No, it was Seymour Music. Seymour Music gave you a one star review.

00:27:19
Speaker 1: You know what I would say to Seymour, tell him we rattled in thirty two Bucks. I think that when in Rome, do as the Romans. Yeah, Like if you’re in like first off wilder, I mean that’s just like a they are wild deer duds. There’s no fence, so there’s that. But if you rattle in thirty two Bucks, it doesn’t mean that it would work anywhere. Like there’s places where you can use you should use hundreds of decoys for ducks, and there’s places where you should use one. You just do what works where you’re at.

00:27:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, there’s like a super high buck to dough ratio, which is why it works there, right.

00:27:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if I was hunting in where I grew up, Michigan, I wouldn’t rattle at all.

00:28:02
Speaker 2: I mean tech if old Seymour here knew anything about anything. He knows like Texas is the number one state for rattling bucks, like when I grew up hunting or watching outdoor television and white tail shows, like Texas was the place where you went to rattle.

00:28:19
Speaker 1: You know what his name ought to be his Seymour should be his middle name needs to should be his first name, and his last name should be deer.

00:28:31
Speaker 4: It’s passionate. He was passionate. He had to go all the way to Google and then write out paragraphs.

00:28:37
Speaker 2: It’s always uh blows his craw gotten his craw did when people write reviews about ship that they don’t have no clue, Like he has no clue about what actually happens there, or what actually happened or the place we were hunting. Just makes him look like an idiot. Anyway, go ahead, come hunting, rattle one in for him. Damn I need to start. I need to be mean to you. Then imagine taking old Seymour down there to the area and rattling bucks in. You think he’d be like this is stupid.

00:29:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I’d sit him down and be like, oh, remember, don’t rattle. Where does that rank? Among your funnest white tail hunts. It’s just different kind of fun. It’s different kind of fun.

00:29:26
Speaker 2: I love it.

00:29:27
Speaker 4: Top three white tail experiences.

00:29:31
Speaker 1: It’s too different. It’s too different. One of my favorite white tail like one of my favorite white tail experiences of all time was rattling. But it was just rattling, like basically in kind of the weirdest place you’d ever think to hunt local with my little kid, and we just like sat down and we were to say, give it a shot, and all of a sudden, like damn.

00:29:53
Speaker 2: Here comes the buck. That was cool and it worked.

00:29:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it worked. We killed like a foky. So it just it just depends too much that is amazing. It’s amazing. It’s truly cool because I hadn’t experienced anything like that before. I’ve never been somewhere there’s that many deer running around, you.

00:30:08
Speaker 4: Know, Seth, was that like one of the best white tail experiences you’ve had?

00:30:13
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And the thing about that place is if you go out in the bush and just sit there quietly, you will hear bucks rattle.

00:30:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, that’s true.

00:30:22
Speaker 2: Like we heard bucks rattling.

00:30:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, fighting that’s that’s a good indicator that they’re going to be receptive. Yeah, Seymour, shut up. I think you can respond to Google reviews seths. So I’ll point you in the dright direction time. Steve’s the winner.

00:30:43
Speaker 3: I think we want more of this, like reading bad reviews stuff.

00:30:48
Speaker 4: There’s about twenty of them for the meeting.

00:30:51
Speaker 2: None from animal rights people. There’s a handful of those. Those are less interesting though.

00:30:55
Speaker 4: Sure they just call you bad names and say you need to find something else to eat.

00:31:01
Speaker 1: That’s fair.

00:31:02
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I want to tuck.

00:31:05
Speaker 1: In and give a little little preview review of what all shows we got coming out with season thirteen and a little bit of extra info on them. So one of the ones we got is Louisiana spearfishing, which that is something I like a bunch. That’s something I like a bunch. What I like about it is, like I said, the thing man, it’s just like you’ve never seen marine life in like in pounds, like you do around the oil rigs. Which is the craziest part about it is that you’re watching like I didn’t even know this till now. One of the rigs, like one of these oil rigs that we spearfishing this episode. So when you watch the episode, Louisiana spearfishing. One of the rigs we visit is not there anymore. Like they went into the golf and built oil rigs long ago they started to oil exploration there, and these oil rigs have created these vert like vertically oriented reefs.

00:32:13
Speaker 4: I don’t really understand how they build these, like the engineering, yeah, just like I don’t know that I need to either, but I’d look at that every time and I’m just fascinating.

00:32:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ones that they got ones now that are GPS guided in the float, you know, but yeah, these are these are rigs that are I mean, you could you could be at a rig in thirty feet of water. You could be at a rig and three hundred feet of water anchored to the ground, big concrete pads right so that they’re they’re yanking them out. And so over the years we’ve been going down there to spearfish on the oil rigs, and I keep getting notes from my buddies down there about like that rig we went to is gone, That rig we went to is gone. That rig we went to is gone.

00:32:54
Speaker 2: Uh.

00:32:55
Speaker 1: And it’s even been like a somewhat political thing about the rigs, like they had this program rigs to reef. There’s a federal program. There’s a federal program called Idle Iron. Idle Iron was meant to be pulling all these rigs out. Like as the rigs are done being used and all the structures done being used, people want to get rid of them because they think it’s a navigation hazard and because shrimp trawlers don’t like them. But meanwhile, it created a fishery. You could go drift if you went far away, Like if you went five hundred yards from a rig and drifted around, you’re not going to see like you’re not going to see a fish. You go to a rig, it’s stacked with fish. I mean a rig contains literally a rig contains tons of fish, like tons of fish. It’s got sharks around They got sharks around them, they got amberjacks around them. There’s wahoo around them, hosts of snapper, grouper, like everything is around it. The bait hides in it, and.

00:34:00
Speaker 3: A lot of places like they’re in spots where otherwise there wouldn’t.

00:34:04
Speaker 1: There’d be nothing there. Nothing wasn’t there be shrimp, but there was nothing nothing, And they like inadvertently created this world renowned fishery. And now they’re yanking at garbage out one of the rigs we fish. And when you watch this episode, one of those rigs we fish was gone six days later.

00:34:21
Speaker 2: WHOA did you just know that?

00:34:23
Speaker 1: While you were you didn’t know it. And when they dynamite it, they kill everything on that rig the concussion. When they blast the rig, everything on it dies.

00:34:35
Speaker 3: And meanwhile, and in other places they’re like bending over backwards to create.

00:34:40
Speaker 1: Artificial halling shit out and dumping it, hauling shit out to make reefs.

00:34:44
Speaker 3: Sinking old battleships and stuff like that.

00:34:47
Speaker 1: And they had the perfect solution with the rigs is like what they were sometimes they were going for a while. They’re going in and tipping them over, tipping them over and giving the right clearance whatever it is, forty feet, fifty feet, seventy feet, tip it over. My solution, which no one’s picked up on. And I’ve made it ten times. Take every three rigs, pluck them up and dump them on the fourth rig. Therefore you have a seventy five percent reduction in places that have a structure sense. But now you have twenty five percent of the number of rigs. But each of those rigs is seventy five percent bigger. Yeah, so you make you reduce, you reduce substructions by seventy five percent and make these big, giant hot piles of fish. It is the most like, it is the most absurd thing.

00:35:38
Speaker 4: What percentage of the decision making is state versus federal for those things?

00:35:43
Speaker 1: Most of those are in federal water, but a lot of it is it comes down to fighting about so the oil companies own them and they don’t, and they to rid themselves of liability.

00:35:53
Speaker 2: They yank them.

00:35:55
Speaker 1: Okay, So like I’m not trying to act like it’s a simple problem. Sure, but if we can, if we can make it look like we put a man on the moon, that’s podcast. If we could put a man on the moon in nineteen seventy, what the hell?

00:36:15
Speaker 3: Nine I think goes a little earlier than that.

00:36:19
Speaker 1: Whatever the hell they were up there? I don’t know were they up there. I’m looking for the thing right now. Sixty six? Whatever hell they got a guy up there? I believe it. I think he’s there. Put a guy on the moon. We can’t figure out a way to take and alleviate, Like, we can’t figure out a way to like legally hand these rigs over and dump them off. You’re making a fit. They’re destroying a fishery. And like, however you feel if some people are instinctively opposed to oil oil extraction, It’s like, dude, it’s done. They did the oil.

00:36:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are decommissioned rigs.

00:36:56
Speaker 1: Damage is done. It’s like they’re there now and they’re all the fish. I’ve even had guys, I don’t believe this by like the story. Guys told me that, like when they go in and nuke one of these rigs, they got these things called rig reapers. When they go in and jack one of these rigs out and cut it up in the haul away, these guys are telling me what fisher left have nowhere to hide? And he says, what fisher left leave with the boat just following they’re under the boat. I don’t know true, but like I believe it.

00:37:25
Speaker 3: I got a practical question about that, Like fishing or spearfish in those reefs, when you head out in the from the marina in the morning, is it like we gotta Is there enough of them that you’re not worried about getting to one and finding competition?

00:37:40
Speaker 2: We have shown up, Oh competition, Like you get.

00:37:43
Speaker 3: There and you’re like, oh, shit, someone’s already on this rig.

00:37:46
Speaker 1: Yeah a little bit, yeah, a little bit. We’ve gone to pins.

00:37:50
Speaker 2: You know.

00:37:50
Speaker 1: You know Star Wars when they go to that planet and like it’s gone right in the very first one.

00:37:58
Speaker 2: What’s it. Remember there’s a movie called Star Wars Princess, so this is this is Princess Lady lea gal Okay, I’m also aware they go to a planet and they’re like, good lord, uh it’s gone.

00:38:16
Speaker 3: The Death Star guy.

00:38:17
Speaker 2: That’s like, that’s like the rigs.

00:38:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, it shot it. The death started shot it, so which is a hell of a shot. So the hell of a gun. But we you’d go to rigs and it was like that. You’d show up and the rigs is not there because the rig reapers is taking it.

00:38:39
Speaker 2: Uh.

00:38:40
Speaker 1: You know, here’s one of the biggest things about diving those rigs that you learn is true. Like you’ll pull Let’s say you pull up to your rigging there’s some dudes roding reel fishing, right, and you can watch them ride and reel fish for thirty minutes and no one catches shit. Okay, not always what I’m saying. It’s totally reasonable that you just kind of hover off, like if it’s way out and you’re aready like, oh, I just wait till they’re done and just hang out, you know, drinks of coconut water, and uh, you’ll see these guys are fishing, fishing, fishing, knowing no rods bent, no one catches nothing. Okay, they pull away. You pull in there and jumping at water and get down below the mirky layer and it’s just fish and it’s like that. It was the same feeling as when you get an underwater camera when you’re ice fishing, because when you’re ice fishing, you’re not catching anything. You think in your mind it’s like the fish aren’t there. But then you put an underwater camera down and know, oh, no, they’re there. They’re staring at the bait. Ye like they’re all hanging around looking at it, and in your mind they’re not down there. It’d be like draped with fish and you could have a guy on the boat fishing seth Yep, you could fish and you’re like, how are you not catching anything?

00:39:50
Speaker 2: It’s literally thousands of snapper. I remember one time this was on a different trip, but I was fishing while you guys were down there, and you came up and said I could see your jig down there and there was nothing around it.

00:40:06
Speaker 1: And meanwhile they’re hitting on steel. Yeah, that’s the joke. They’re always hitting on steel. No, it’s a travesty man. It’s like I just like it. Yeah, I I I understand the size of it. I understand the navigation has there’s I understand the liability thing. I understand the annoyance the shrimp trawlers. But it’s like you have created a paradise and you’re destroying a paradise.

00:40:29
Speaker 4: I’m very unfamiliar with that part of the world. Are they like still building oil.

00:40:33
Speaker 1: Rigs, Yeah, but they’ve mostly my understanding, I’m not a subject matter expert, but my understanding is they’ve moved to these way offshore. They’ll have a pipe, they’ll have a flexible line going down, but they might be in two thousand and three thousand feet of water. And it’s a it’s a it’s a GPS guided platform that you can move from spot to spot. So I don’t know that they’re I don’t know that they’re building many more structures, not like they were.

00:40:58
Speaker 4: When when were they building these things?

00:41:01
Speaker 1: Oh, I think all like seventies, eighties, nineties, early two thousands, they were build riggs. But I’m not a subject matter expert on that part. I’m a subject matter expert on one thing. It’s this, there’s a lot of fish on them rigs and you shouldn’t be messing with those rigs. Like I would love to have a debate, you know what, Karin, That’d be a cool idea to do an episode where we get a person that likes getting rid of the rigs, and then we’ll have I’ll bring in guys that love the rigs and they can argue.

00:41:32
Speaker 2: What I’d like to know is like who out.

00:41:34
Speaker 1: There wants to get rid of these rigs? And will you come on the show and like give me some half asked reason why.

00:41:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, I’d like to know what, like a fisheries guy would say about it.

00:41:43
Speaker 2: He’s pissed. He’s pissed.

00:41:45
Speaker 1: Right, Well, we’re after down there and the episodes we’re trying to get amberjack, and like, you know, it’s funny and putting the episodes together when we’re cleaning amberjack and the amberjack these are all, you know, fifty sixty seven pound amberjack, big amberjacks, super good to eat. They’re one of those fishing people think isn’t good and they always like cite the worms. Yes, and like all fish have worms. It’s just a fact. Like when you’re eating halibut. I’ll look at when I’m serving people halibut and I’m looking at their plate. What I’m seeing is I’m wondering if they’re going to know what they’re looking at. Same, I’m like, I wonder if they’re gonna know what that is. That’s a big worm thing. To think that brown thing in there’s a vein.

00:42:32
Speaker 2: Would you restaurant? Sure?

00:42:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just has worms. You’re you’re a pan fisherman, right, sure? You ever clean bluegills and perch? And he looks like someone put black pepper on out. You know what you’re looking at? Parasites? It’s everything’s loaded, everything’s loaded. But an amberjack has toward its tail. Like if I’m an amberjack, I’m an amberjack, big one, my mouth on me on me as an amber jack. Right here, so above the caudal fin. Once once the caudal fin starts to come out, right here is a pocket of worms. It looks like you just dug into your compost pile.

00:43:15
Speaker 2: Why are they held there that? I don’t know.

00:43:18
Speaker 1: I don’t know why they liked that spot. That’s where they live, so you just trim around it. But check out what I didn’t notice at the time Krim was digging into this because you’re talking about these worms. It’s called an amberjackworm. Okay, it’s like a it’s like a tube. But check out what that som of bitch’s life cycle is. He starts, I got a home. I gotta get my spectacles on. I might just throw my Ben Franklins on under my shades. You ever see me do this?

00:43:43
Speaker 2: Oh that’s sporting. Listen to this? Do that look good? Uh? Huh? Yeah? Can you tell I got these on? Oh?

00:43:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I gotta zoom this in. Hold on, man, how do you zoom this in?

00:44:09
Speaker 2: Ha?

00:44:11
Speaker 1: When you’re cleaning an amberjack okay, and you get into his tail, guess what that worm has been through.

00:44:23
Speaker 3: Let’s hear it.

00:44:24
Speaker 1: That worm is born in a shark. Okay, the larva developed well, no, we can’t call it being born. That larva develops into an adult tapeworm in the gut of a shark. Okay, that shark is shatting out. Okay, that larva develops and has eggs in a shark.

00:44:52
Speaker 3: You track him in the sharks digestives.

00:44:54
Speaker 1: Yep, that shark shouts out.

00:45:02
Speaker 2: Eggs.

00:45:03
Speaker 1: Okay, so he’s shouting out eggs. Crustaceans find these eggs and eat them. You tracking like shrimp or something, shrimp, crabs, whatever, who’s ever feeding down in the bottom. Probably shrimp. Little fish eat the crustaceans that have ate the shap.

00:45:28
Speaker 2: You’re still dragging it was still not to the amberjack.

00:45:31
Speaker 1: Amberjacks eat those little fish inside the amberjack, it grows into that big scary worm that makes people say amberjacks aren’t good to eat. And then then a shark eats the amberjack and gets the worm back.

00:45:51
Speaker 2: Oh so what came What came first, the shark or the amberjack. That’s a great question.

00:45:57
Speaker 1: And so the next time you’re parson those worms, think about where that thing has been and what he’s been through.

00:46:05
Speaker 4: A lot of good evolution happening there.

00:46:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, And people get like, this is the thing that piss me off about people and nature. People get like, can you believe drone technology?

00:46:17
Speaker 2: Now?

00:46:20
Speaker 1: Well you want to, you want to hear something crazy that’s true. Think about this for a minute. Man will never ever ever come up with anything as interesting as that ship. You know what I mean, And I don’t think.

00:46:37
Speaker 2: What else.

00:46:41
Speaker 1: Seth was there for. The Seth is there for all this stuff. But we filmed the muzzloader hunt. There’s not a lot of to say abouts. We already covered it pretty heavily in state in Montana because Montana started their musloader season. Montana started their musloader season a couple of years.

00:46:56
Speaker 3: Ago, which is primitively here.

00:46:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like the way. I like the way they manage it. Man, you want to explain that because you boys come from the world’s most primitive.

00:47:05
Speaker 3: State, Pennsylvania, Yeah, which is flintlock only.

00:47:08
Speaker 2: Did you do that a little bit?

00:47:10
Speaker 3: Not much. I took up muzzl hunt later with the new fangled inline muzzleloader like in Colorado, so like you know, you can use powder you I don’t think you can use pellets there, but it’s like way easier than the traditional muzzle loader.

00:47:27
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:47:27
Speaker 1: So we we filmed in Pennsylvania for the flintlock season, and that’s like you’re hunting Daniel Boone equipment. Yeah, like straight up Daniel Boone equipment.

00:47:35
Speaker 3: Air triggers, gun not going off.

00:47:38
Speaker 2: Gun going off. Montana.

00:47:40
Speaker 1: Basically when Montana came in, they did it right, Like, there’s some states where it’s a joke. Is it New Mexicore, Arizona, it’s kind of a joke. You can use a scope.

00:47:48
Speaker 4: I was very friendly to muzzleloader hunters, but you use a rifle.

00:47:52
Speaker 1: That’s because they don’t because it’s flattener’s houses. Yeah, so it’s like a different objective, right, But some of the states it’s like I think New Mexico is the new Expa has a really stupid one, or Arizona. Maybe Arizona has a really dumb one where he basically you can still you can use telescopic sites, and you can buy souped up muzzleloaders. You can still you can still hit targets at six hundred yards. Yeah, it’s kind of like it’s not really a muzzloader hunt. But here they call it a heritage hunt because they restrict the gear. You gotta use the true to sized lead, so no no sabots. Like if it’s a fifty cow, it’s gotta be a fifty cow lead, loose powder or is it loose powder? I think, yep, loose powder, no telescopic sight, and it’s got to be loaded from the muzzle and.

00:48:37
Speaker 3: It’s gotta be a flint lock or percussion cap.

00:48:40
Speaker 2: Right.

00:48:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, And part of my problem is I have a flint lock and I need to send a guy. I got a guy. I found a guy that’s gonna build me. What’s gonna be my new super gun? I want? I want a single trigger per caustion cap mm HM fifty four caliber.

00:49:05
Speaker 3: Because you don’t like those set triggers and triggers.

00:49:08
Speaker 2: Hate them.

00:49:09
Speaker 1: That’s a deer saving device. In my hands, it’s a deer saving device.

00:49:14
Speaker 2: It’s saved two deer in two different episodes.

00:49:17
Speaker 1: Dude, I can’t. I’m not smart enough for it. I spent my whole life with one trigger. Also, I can’t go hunting with two triggers.

00:49:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, the like heritage flint lock thing. I would say it’s probably the highest barrier of entry if you were like just getting pick a weapon and go hunting. It’s harder than I would say archery crossbows, traditional archery.

00:49:36
Speaker 3: Well, especially here because you’re doing it after those things have been hunted with bows with rifle, like they’re not like they’re wary that time.

00:49:45
Speaker 2: That was my bunchy snow on the ground.

00:49:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my takeaway as I totally miscalculated First off, I thought the season was way later than it was. So when I was getting all excited about it, I was like, oh yeah, because like deer season will be over for weeks and the deer will be chill.

00:50:00
Speaker 2: It’s not like that.

00:50:01
Speaker 1: It’s like they’ve been getting hit for six weeks of archery three months, they’ve been getting hit for six weeks of general firearm and then all of a sudden, like you go out thinking like, oh yeah, there, you know all I got all over now, but the gun because it’s muscle oder season and they’ll be chill. It’s like they are on edge. Yep, they are on the worst. They have not forgotten about gun season at all. If you ran, if you ran it like in August, it’d be a good time.

00:50:32
Speaker 2: It is.

00:50:32
Speaker 1: It is like I’m not saying I’m done with it. I’m just saying like I went into it thinking like I said I was, I was just ready to start gutting.

00:50:38
Speaker 4: Do you guys know anybody who killed one with I do heritage?

00:50:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I’m gonna get serious about it. I’m gonna get serious about it. And I’m getting this new souped up, not souped up. I’m getting this gun. I gotta send a guy my five hundred dollars.

00:50:52
Speaker 3: I think it’d be a good season for you for white tails, Like, you know, you get some access.

00:50:57
Speaker 2: I try to wrap up that by November something.

00:51:01
Speaker 1: Do you know do you use your email as a to do list?

00:51:07
Speaker 2: Explain?

00:51:08
Speaker 1: Like, my email is kind of like my to do list.

00:51:10
Speaker 4: Oh, in a way, but the notes on my phone to do list.

00:51:14
Speaker 1: If you go to the bottom of my inbox, I have twenty three things in my inbox. If you go to the bottom of my inbox, you know what, it says, five hundred dollars to John.

00:51:26
Speaker 3: You gotta fly in your face.

00:51:29
Speaker 1: So I need to get my new muzzle order.

00:51:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, what are you gonna call that episode? Got a lot of directions you could go.

00:51:36
Speaker 2: We already named it.

00:51:36
Speaker 1: I don’t know. Oh you know what I forgot to say? That’s really funny about I was telling someone this the other day. Oh, I did, He’s really funny. I went on THEO Von’s podcast. He’s from Louisiana, so I was asking him, hey, man, are you switching to Golf of America? And he’s not switching, and so all that was all that shit was hitting the fan when we were making our episode. We were cutting the episode, so like we’re like, of course, because we always name like a big thing is like to name I like landscape features more than I like geopolitical borders. So in the intro where I was like where are you you know, so it’d be like in the rocky mountains rather than whatever, or like along the Missouri River, along the Mississippi. So we’re like, when we rode it, we wrote it Golf of Mexico, but then all the ship started hitting the fans, so we like went into record one time and we’re like, and I just made a joke kind of like the Golf of you know, like you’re trying to ride the fence, you know, like to not get in trouble for getting the word police.

00:52:40
Speaker 4: After you do you think people will understand that?

00:52:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hillary, our production team pointed out that it’s kind of stupid, So we went back to We went back to Gold of Mexico because like the whole thing was on that.

00:52:57
Speaker 2: It was like, well, it was the Golf of Mexico when you shot it. It was a Golf Mexico.

00:53:02
Speaker 1: Who shot it. But I’m not gonna switch because like part of the appeal, like the word police were making life so bad for a number of years, right, the word police were just like on you all the time. And then the vibe shift, the cultural vibe shift, happened and you got a break from the world the word police. But then all of sudden was like the dog that catches a car, because then all of a sudden, they’re turning in word policing back on you. Do you know what I mean? And I just I was like, man, I’m just done with getting word policed, Like I got sick of it. I thought it was over. Now we’re getting word police from the other side. And I just went Golf of Mexico, you know what I’m saying. Yeah, I think I just like I can’t handle getting word policed. Golf of Amberjack, Golf of a Amberjack.

00:53:50
Speaker 4: Somebody watching that in twenty thirty five, when we’re doing another podcast recamp for season what twenty three, At that point, Golf of Mexico old age better, they’ll be calling it that again.

00:54:02
Speaker 2: I’ll change it back by then. Yeah.

00:54:04
Speaker 1: Theo Vonn thinks that there should be a big competition between America and Mexico, like an Olympics of stuff that has to do with the golf to see who wins the name, like.

00:54:16
Speaker 2: Uh, spearfishing, oil drilling, oil drilling, shrimping, and whatever.

00:54:25
Speaker 1: Country wins gets naming rights.

00:54:27
Speaker 4: Spring break partying.

00:54:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I don’t have Like if my kids wind up growing up calling it golf America, I’m like, I don’t care. That’s cool, but I’m too old. I can’t switch. I realized I can’t switch, Like I remember going from McKinley to the Naley, and I don’t know that I got the energy to go back. I switched when I was young and malleable.

00:54:46
Speaker 4: Are there any bird names you had to change when? Uh, when they started switching?

00:54:50
Speaker 2: Switched back? So you’re back to if it’s like a Cooper’s hawk.

00:54:56
Speaker 1: I’ve done two switches. I switched and this wasn’t because of This wasn’t word policing. I went from blue grouse to duskies and soodies, and then now out of laziness, I’ve gone back to blue grouse.

00:55:11
Speaker 3: Yeah it’s just blue automatic. I don’t even it’s just blue comes up.

00:55:15
Speaker 2: Species split, right, that was.

00:55:17
Speaker 1: A species split. It wasn’t word policing. Now a word policing one would be the duck an old squad whether you call it a long tail or not. And I kind of sit the fence on that one, you know, I sit the fence on that one. All the other new changes, there’s no way, there’s no way Cow gets upset when you.

00:55:35
Speaker 2: Talk about it.

00:55:36
Speaker 1: Goliath group or I never went with the old name.

00:55:40
Speaker 4: Could we not say the old name?

00:55:42
Speaker 2: It was a jewfish. I don’t know why I didn’t know that. I don’t know why Krin. You know why Kri left so weird? She was just here.

00:55:51
Speaker 1: I don’t know why they used to call it a jewfish. I’ve always just called them Goliath grouper. I don’t know why they call it that. It should be easy to find out. We got an episode coming out where we turkey hunt with Luke Comb’s that was fun State Texas. Here’s why I’m nervous about that episode coming out because we kind of reaped. One can do that in Texas and it’s like, it’s not a safety issue because we’re on a friend’s place.

00:56:25
Speaker 2: But people are gonna.

00:56:26
Speaker 3: Be like the reaping police are gonna.

00:56:32
Speaker 1: On one episode, the word police are gonna get us, The reaping police are going to get us.

00:56:36
Speaker 2: On another episode, the rattling police.

00:56:38
Speaker 1: The rattling police, which I didn’t even know existence Seymour rattling cops. No amount of success, no amount of bucks you’ve called in, can like please him? So the Reaping police are going to come after us, but we’re it was like, I don’t go immediately to the Reap.

00:56:57
Speaker 2: It’s a fallback, men, it’s a fallback. That was some challenging turkey hunting, very challenging turkey hunting. We got like historic rainfall.

00:57:07
Speaker 1: Oh, we just knew it was raining a lot, but we weren’t looking at the news. We didn’t know it was. It was like a national news story that there’s like major flooding and we’re just kind of like mine, you know, like, good lord, does it rain? Mean bridges are underwater and like cars are floating away?

00:57:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, We’re like, whoa, they get a lot of rain in the spring.

00:57:28
Speaker 4: Now.

00:57:28
Speaker 1: It wasn’t the big tragic this is don’t people would be confused. It wasn’t the tragic flood in Texas that that that I mean, I wouldn’t even joking about that ship. It wasn’t the flood in Texas that had fatalities and children lost. It was a localized flood that did not have fatalities, but it was there was some fooding and it was and we had We were oblivious to it for a couple of days, and then someone came in and be like, oh, you had no you didn’t know, dude, this is like a major flooding event. We just saw it was raining a lot while we hunted turkeys. It was a tough hunt.

00:57:56
Speaker 4: I feel like the reaping police is like the defensive It is a little bit of a straw man argument. Like I feel like most people just have common sense and they’re like, that’s that’s a pretty cool way to kill a turkey, assuming everyone is like safe about it.

00:58:09
Speaker 2: You know, there’s anything stupid there there.

00:58:12
Speaker 3: I mean, to be fair, there’s been people who have gotten shot doing it.

00:58:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think there’s states too outlaw.

00:58:17
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and if if a state outlaws I would never show up at the Game Commission fighting for it.

00:58:26
Speaker 2: It’s right to me. It’s one of those things.

00:58:27
Speaker 1: It’s like if you can do it on occasion, I’ll do it if you get rid of It’s like two way communications. If a state says you can’t use two way communications to hunt, I’m like, cool, do you know what I mean? Like it doesn’t bother me.

00:58:41
Speaker 3: Man, You’re still gonna have a good hunt.

00:58:42
Speaker 1: You have a state said hey, muzzleloader season from now on, you gotta you can’t. You gotta use loose powder, no telescope excites, and like cool.

00:58:50
Speaker 2: Uh.

00:58:51
Speaker 1: If a state says no reaping, I’m like, that’s fine, whatever, I’ll be fine. Uh and and and on that thing. Like I would not And this is more out of fear for my wife. I would not reap with my little kids because of one of them. You know, even if we got grazed, I’m gonna be a lot of trouble, a lot of trouble.

00:59:15
Speaker 2: Well. Another argument to the reaping thing is that it triggers something in their brain that they can’t resist. That’s cool, though I don’t know if that’s true.

00:59:25
Speaker 4: It’s like saying you’re using the wrong fishing.

00:59:27
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times.

00:59:30
Speaker 1: Banned this lure has been banned because it’s too effective.

00:59:34
Speaker 3: I mean, I don’t see it as like all that different than putting a decoy out, man.

00:59:40
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but in my experience, I’ve had many times where there’s turkeys out in the field and you have a decoy out and you’re calling whatever, hours go by and they’re still out in that field, and then you pull out a fan and start crawling towards them and they’re coming. Sure, it’s just like a there’s no, there’s not very many other I don’t know of any other animal where they have a thing where if you do it like there’s a very high chance that they’re going to be triggered by it and they’re coming.

01:00:15
Speaker 1: You’re a great turkey hunter. You’re a better turkey hunter me. I can’t say that that’s I can’t say that that has been my I’ve seen turkey see a fan and not come a running me too.

01:00:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I would say in my experience time are the lures you won’t use because they work too good. I haven’t found that out. Live bait works great a lot, you know, But I’ve also seen where plastics outfish like, there’s nothing that I can think of that umbrella rig if you’re fishing best.

01:00:51
Speaker 4: They that had they had to outlaw those hooks, too many hooks, but also like it was too successful for a hand full of tournaments.

01:01:01
Speaker 1: Oh, they outlawed in tournaments, yes, But I.

01:01:03
Speaker 4: Think states, I feel like states have also taken a stance and maybe that’s come in the form of like, how many hooks you can have?

01:01:10
Speaker 2: Don’t they have?

01:01:11
Speaker 3: But they have rigs where if there’s eight of them, only two have hooks, would they would.

01:01:16
Speaker 4: Put like one with a different color, Like it’s say it’s eight seven of the plastics are white and one is chartreus and.

01:01:23
Speaker 2: That’s the one and that’s not There’s some states where you can only have one hook and they run a rigs with just one.

01:01:31
Speaker 1: Hey, do you know, Krin, do you know why why Goliath Grouper were long known as jewfish? Krinn has looked but don’t remember, doesn’t remember. Yeah, check it out?

01:01:51
Speaker 2: Is it?

01:01:52
Speaker 1: I mean, I’m assuming it’s derogatory. I doubt if someone’s celebrating, you know.

01:02:01
Speaker 2: Uh.

01:02:02
Speaker 1: Episode four is a Laska bear of Evan Felker that just happened. We just had a podcast about it. Fantastic episode. Now, someone brought up Krin brought up and looking at she was watching the cut, she brought up, there there we are eating raw bear meating Alaska again. That bear meat was pretty cool. Here in the picture. Someone needs the color cracked it to make it look more ked.

01:02:23
Speaker 2: I will say. When we were eating it, I’m like, oh, I don’t know. No one got sick. I knew.

01:02:29
Speaker 1: I can just tell now by looking at it.

01:02:30
Speaker 3: You want to hear Steve, You want to hear the answer?

01:02:32
Speaker 1: Yeah?

01:02:33
Speaker 2: Please.

01:02:37
Speaker 3: First recorded usage in sixteen ninety seven.

01:02:42
Speaker 2: Was before the show.

01:02:43
Speaker 3: Concluded that the species little piece of physical characteristics were frequently connected to mainsteak characters of anti Semitic anti Semitic beliefs.

01:02:56
Speaker 2: I’m backed that up again.

01:02:59
Speaker 3: These physical characteristics were connected to mainstay charactertures of anset anti Semitic beliefs.

01:03:09
Speaker 2: Yep. I don’t know if I believe that one.

01:03:10
Speaker 3: Alternate explanations include derivation from an Italian word.

01:03:17
Speaker 2: Gew pesche.

01:03:18
Speaker 3: I’m assuming it’s that seems reasonable, which means bottom fish, or the mispronounced mispronunciation of the name jawfish.

01:03:28
Speaker 2: That is where my money is.

01:03:30
Speaker 3: Okay, So there’s no real type explanation.

01:03:34
Speaker 1: I don’t know if the first one could be correct. I understanding that I had to make a stab.

01:03:37
Speaker 2: I’m just reading what was on Wikipedia.

01:03:43
Speaker 1: And then episodes. Yeah, yeah, that that bear meat. No one got sick. Don’t get worried if we on spring bear Hunt. Oh you don’t mind, you know. A month later and it doesn’t matter anyway, It’s like, not a problem. It’s alarming, but not a problem.

01:04:01
Speaker 3: Would you go if you got it again? Would you go through the same.

01:04:04
Speaker 1: Same thing again? Yeah, same thing all over again. Yeah you can be you being a carrier, you still have to go through the initial discomfort.

01:04:14
Speaker 2: I thought when we when we were in Africa, I was getting some unusual like muscle pains. You thought you had. I thought I might have had it. But I’m pretty sure I had a pinch nerve from sitting on a plane for so damn long. What you were describing wasn’t right to me.

01:04:29
Speaker 1: All the people that got it when I when we got it, we all got very similar symptomology.

01:04:35
Speaker 2: How undercooked was the meat the time you got it?

01:04:38
Speaker 1: Real undercooked? We were talking about getting tricknosis from it. We were joking about how we’re gonna get it.

01:04:45
Speaker 2: Was it like pink on the inside?

01:04:47
Speaker 4: Was it red on the inside.

01:04:48
Speaker 1: Enough that one of the guys there was like, I ain’t that though, But no, this bear meat was this this bear me is not a problem. And man I took so we had a couple of bears this year. This bear one of these bears, and then and then my boys bear. Have you had my breakfast links the end of the butcher made.

01:05:10
Speaker 2: Me yeah, nod, They’re good. Oh the best thing in the world, man, Yeah, the best thing in the world. Karin has a question.

01:05:24
Speaker 1: Karin’s saying, if you get it like you had it, but then meet again, is that.

01:05:30
Speaker 3: An increased load?

01:05:32
Speaker 4: Like, then what happens to you get you like?

01:05:34
Speaker 2: Because once you get.

01:05:36
Speaker 1: It, it doesn’t go away, She’s saying. Since once you get it, it doesn’t go away. If you just keep eating it, can you get an increased load?

01:05:44
Speaker 2: I thought it does go away? Though over time, over.

01:05:48
Speaker 1: A decade, the cysts, the cyths, the cysts become not viable. Over some period of time that’s not well understood, the cists become unviable.

01:05:56
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:05:57
Speaker 1: My understanding is that the load.

01:06:00
Speaker 2: Is bad.

01:06:01
Speaker 1: And the other danger you have from it is that so it those those larva bore into your muscle tissue. People have had problems where for whatever reason, they get a concentration of it in their heart, in their heart muscle. So when you see that, like, something bad could happen to you. What I was referring to is that you got like a heavy load, a heavy concentration in in like sensitive sensitive muscle tissue like your heart.

01:06:25
Speaker 4: I assume this is on your medical record. Has a doctor ever addressed it in the future, been like, I see you have trichinosis.

01:06:32
Speaker 1: Never but I know they haven’t. And it’s a CDC reportable disease, so you’re logged in the in the Centers for Disease Control and they track tricknosis cases. But I’ve never had someone bring it up to me that I hadn’t brought it up to And I don’t even think to bring it up to doctors anymore, right ever, and then the last three episodes of the ones I’m most excited about, but we haven’t even really were cutting them. But I haven’t gotten into any of Yeah, so Tanzania three episodes five, six, and seven in Tanzania. And I need to turn attention to Sethfield for a minute.

01:07:09
Speaker 2: Oh boy.

01:07:12
Speaker 1: And now that you’ve had time to sit back, like Seth didn’t want to go. He was being kind of a baby. Now that you’ve had time. Now that you’ve had time, okay, you’ve had time to reflect.

01:07:24
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

01:07:25
Speaker 1: If you could wave a magic wand and have it be that you hadn’t gone, would you wave it?

01:07:32
Speaker 4: No?

01:07:32
Speaker 1: I’m glad I went. Oh, no desire to go back, not at all? Tell me, yeah, I’m not challenging that because that’s where I was for most of my life. When I was your age, i’d have been like you, I would if you gave me a free trip. I wouldn’t have gone.

01:07:46
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, if someone gave me a free trip, I don’t know that they’d be like, yeah, sure I’ll go. Depends on the time of year.

01:07:52
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, but help me out, like like, because I remember, I remember not wanting to go, and I remember like it built like a like a desire to where I wanted to go so bad I couldn’t stand it.

01:08:04
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time thinking about this post trip to myself why I had just have no desire for that place, And I don’t have an answer thee that that’s a that’s a reason, but it’s not the reason. That’s when I was growing up watching like when I would watch the Outdoor Channel or whatever, if an Africa episode came on, I would change the channel because it had nothing to do with you had there’s just no interest. For most of the time, I didn’t want to go. I couldn’t think of those things as game animals. I’m there. I’m I’m there too. Yeah.

01:08:43
Speaker 1: I couldn’t think of them because like I didn’t, I wasn’t. I didn’t grow up lusting over them, so I couldn’t picture them as game animals.

01:08:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:08:51
Speaker 1: And that’s one of the things that started to change, is like by reading all these guys that like, all these famous writers and stuff that hunter I still hard to start to get where I could like look at a Kate buffalo and be like, oh, it’s like a game animal. But before I I don’t know it like a zoo animal.

01:09:07
Speaker 3: It’s hard to think of something as a game animal that you you’ve never watched walk around in the wild, you know, like it is for me.

01:09:14
Speaker 1: Anyway, it was hard to think of it as a game animal. Yeah, and it was hard to separate it from the controversies.

01:09:22
Speaker 2: You know.

01:09:23
Speaker 3: What I want to know is about Africa is how like it’s like comparing apples don’t wearn just but like, how would you compare it to your trips to South America and like what similarities, what differences, like maybe which one you like better?

01:09:41
Speaker 2: What whatever?

01:09:41
Speaker 3: Like just an observation on those trips you made to South America versus Africa, because one was like you kind of out there like in the nitty gritty doing it, and this was a much different situation where you’re like you’re you’re like being guided.

01:09:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, agree, you.

01:10:00
Speaker 1: Were still being guided in I Like, I like South America, Like like I am dying to take my kids on a river trip in South America. And part of what I liked about it it was very kind of like ad hoc and figured it out as you go, and like you were, you’re like very involved in it. You’re doing things that you’re just figuring stuff out, you know, you’re.

01:10:19
Speaker 3: Doing things that they’d be doing every day for themselves.

01:10:21
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:10:22
Speaker 1: And in Africa, it’s like it’s very like what you’re doing is being put on for you, right, and the hunting, like what you’re doing is being organized for you. Yep, and and and and and like and hanging out with Amerindians in South America was like you’re doing a thing that you know, but you’re you’re doing a thing that’s very similar to what they do. You know, maybe you got you know, maybe you got more boats and whatever, but they live a life of getting on those rivers, going a way up those rivers and hunting and fishing, and so you’re just like hanging out. There’s different stuff happening that wouldn’t happen. But the sort of the framework of it is you’re kind of going like, oh, so this is like a lifestyle.

01:10:59
Speaker 3: Yeah that that I mean, Seth doesn’t have any desire to go back. I had a much stronger desire to go do that type of trip in South America than something.

01:11:08
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like there’s a there’s a river. I want to take my kids soon. I want to take my kids and go to the but we need like a month. Yeah, and I want to go to the headwaters of a river, like I know the river, the headwaters. I want to hire someone. I want to yep. But it’s like a you know, it’d be like a twenty some day Yeah, all in twenty some days.

01:11:32
Speaker 3: Which is I mean, you were in Africa for a long time.

01:11:35
Speaker 1: I keep telling people I caught my fingernails twice. Yeah, that was the last time you’ve been somewhere and cut your fingernails twice.

01:11:41
Speaker 4: I can’t can’t think of what it would have been. Yeah, Africa is uh, it’s like less interesting to me because a sweet spot for where a rifle cartridge is interesting, is like a three eight two seventy And you get smaller than that, I’m I’m uninterested.

01:11:57
Speaker 2: You get bigger than that, I’m uninterested. And what like what cartridge were you shooting?

01:12:01
Speaker 1: The like the go to is the three seventy five age, and ah, it’s just a very like that’s what we hunted? Anything with it?

01:12:09
Speaker 2: What was the shooting experience? Like? What’s that?

01:12:12
Speaker 1: How far are you shooting? Just like the recoil, Oh, the recoil takes so long that it’s not bad. You know, you’re shooting like a seven millimeters ram bag and the recoil is like everything all at once. It’s like fop and it hurts your head. You get a headache from it. A three seventy five is like it’s still kicking when you’re like walking away. It’s like, so it’s not that bad. I don’t like the pop getting recoil. I don’t mind a good long, slow push.

01:12:46
Speaker 4: I didn’t know that was like a different experience.

01:12:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, it’s a it’s a did you just bother me?

01:12:56
Speaker 4: No?

01:12:57
Speaker 3: Probably not as bad as shooting a big, great, big turkey load out of a shotgun.

01:13:01
Speaker 2: What I did shoot? What I did shoot in both of us. Shot was the the old game scouts AK? Yeah?

01:13:07
Speaker 1: He let him shoot his AK forty seven. Not many guys in a government uniform with a machine gun or gona let you shoot.

01:13:15
Speaker 2: It’d be like going up to a game boarding to be like, hey, can I pop off a couple of rounds with that? If you look at it? Like, was it an old like.

01:13:23
Speaker 1: Russian AK? And where was that manufacturer? I can’t remember where it was said on there where it was built?

01:13:29
Speaker 3: Probably China, I can’t.

01:13:31
Speaker 1: Remember it was Chinese built. I was dying to shoot it.

01:13:34
Speaker 2: Sounds like you didn’t have to twist his army.

01:13:36
Speaker 1: The minute we asked, so, hey can we shoot that down? Listen, Heston wants to burn through his home magazine no, which.

01:13:44
Speaker 2: I’m like, not familiar with those older ak’s. And from my understanding that he had it on what like yeah, semi auto. I didn’t know what the letters meant, but I was like, that doesn’t make any sense. There’s like a there’s like an auto is there’s an auto. It’s like a sector switch and there’s auto and like send my auto and then safe mmm. And he, from my understanding he had it on I was. I was very confused, and when I pulled the trigger more than one round went off. I know what’s gonna happen.

01:14:17
Speaker 1: I’m like, because he’s showed me the selector, and I remember I can’t remember the details. Memory intuitive and like that doesn’t make any sense. Yeah, but then I didn’t seth went to crack a round off and caught.

01:14:27
Speaker 3: A few free You know what, I I have this thing in my head and I don’t know if I made it up or if I actually read it. But there’s a thing where Collash and a CoV said he regretted making that weapon really because it was so responsible for so many people dying. But I can’t like, I might be making that up, but I think I remember reading him like saying he had to regret for developing that weapon.

01:14:54
Speaker 2: Mighty fine weapon though.

01:14:55
Speaker 1: Yeah he did good staring at that gun that whole trip. I was dying to shoe.

01:15:00
Speaker 4: That wasn’t a day one request he made last day?

01:15:03
Speaker 2: Okay, I should ask the first day Yeah, last day request.

01:15:09
Speaker 1: And you know what’s funny about that dude, that AK forty seven, Like he’s always way in the back, but he’s he’s like the game warden. So he comes with you because he’s out checking for poachers and stuff. But he’s always way in the back. But when you’re trailing those Kate Buffalo and you get into real thick stuff, he’d he’d be like, if you look at him back there, he’d be like, already he’s got like his finger up above the trigger guard because he’s been like. What I later learned is he was there, uh, when Roger Hurt got stopped by Kate Buffalo.

01:15:44
Speaker 2: That was the dude that was with him.

01:15:47
Speaker 1: And so they were saying that after he got after he witnessed someone get stomped, he started getting real like ready for it. He was like when stuff was gonna hit the fan. He was always tuned in.

01:15:59
Speaker 3: He was like this pilot I done liked flying bad weather.

01:16:02
Speaker 1: Yep, he was tuned in because he’d seen how things can go uh, how things can go south in a hurry.

01:16:07
Speaker 2: Did did he shoot that buffalo at all when that went down?

01:16:11
Speaker 1: He must not have, because they were saying to me, as far as they knew it might still be alive.

01:16:15
Speaker 2: Oh, they showed us where it happened. Yeah, I remember that.

01:16:19
Speaker 4: What were the details of it? Did that thing that thing had around in it when he went after the guy.

01:16:23
Speaker 1: No, it had been mauled by a lion, whoa, so it was already wounded. So they just happened to be They were stalking something else and came around a big turmitarium or like a big termite mound with a bunch of trees growing out of it, and they were stalking something else and just freak chance, it was a wounded Kate Buffalo. Yeah, it was scratched up by a lion and he came out and stomped him. It was actually going for the woman, a woman, but he got out in front of it and he got he took the brunt of it, busted him up good, and we talked about it in the previous show. I’m not gonna get into it now, but this year two Americans have been killed by Kate.

01:16:59
Speaker 2: Buffalo in Africa.

01:17:01
Speaker 4: For most of the things you’re hunting over there, is their nose their top defense or do they rely on.

01:17:06
Speaker 1: Kate Buffalo’s nose? A lot of that stuff is because a lot of that stuff goes like like a lot of this stuff goes into the thickest stuff. It goes where they can’t see it, can’t see ten inches, they’re laying where they can’t see anything. They couldn’t see me to you where they’re laying.

01:17:21
Speaker 3: What was the like difficulty scale for warthogs, Like.

01:17:26
Speaker 2: How finding a big one?

01:17:29
Speaker 3: But like were they wary? Like where they very like challenging.

01:17:32
Speaker 1: Well, we eventually found one that was far enough away where it wasn’t aware and you could stalk it. But yeah, you see a lot of them. They just boogie, they’re already way aware of you and they’re just gone. But eventually a guy one of this, a Kenyan dude, George, he saw one probably three hundred yards away, which is a rarity. And then you’re able to actually get the wind and stalk it and then it’s not a problem, and then it’s like stalking a regular hog.

01:18:00
Speaker 3: I got one more question about it, and then that’s it.

01:18:02
Speaker 2: We’re gonna wrap up so people can go.

01:18:04
Speaker 3: How was it for you, Like, was it hard for you to like kind of step back and let other people kind of steer the hunt.

01:18:15
Speaker 1: No, because they’re so competent and they know so much stuff. It was like very I loved it. Yeah, I was learning tons of stuff that was not a hard part. No part of me wanted to be like, I’ll take charge from here because I have no idea what’s going on. No, but I hear some people being there were there were moments when there were moments in stalking I would have done something different. There were moments in stalking when I was like, I don’t really like that, but you guys know what’s upright, you know? But no, for the most part, you’d have to spend years there before you had any business saying like, hey, why don’t we try, you know, because you’re kind of like, hey, having been not never even seen one of these things before, here’s my suggest you know. It’s like, it’s just you’d have to spend years there before you had any right to go be like I think we should go left and not left and not right. But stalking, there were things that that in stalking, there were things that that I felt like didn’t because I do a lot of stalking, they do a lot of tracking. But when it came to like seeing something and putting the slip on it, there were things and I was like, man, I don’t know, that does make a ton of sense to me, But sure, you know, but sure, but I’m looking forward to get like I can’t wait to see the episodes. Man, they’re gonna be great. Seth will turn them off because he has since he was a little child.

01:19:37
Speaker 2: I’ll watch him. I watch him so I can actually see what happened. I was viewing time. He was licking dust off his lips.

01:19:49
Speaker 3: You got some stuff getting shipped back.

01:19:51
Speaker 1: Here, man, I don’t know when I’ll see it, but I do. I got a big chunk of Kate Buffalo, big square. Kate Buffalo hided the Krin wanted to keep. She couldn’t believe he weren’t keeping them. And then she had the brilliant idea to save a big basically girdled that buffalo so like if you picture like from behind the front shoulder to the front hand. We girdled it belly to belly. And save this big square. We’re gonna have some belts and ship made out.

01:20:17
Speaker 2: Do you save the sack off of it?

01:20:19
Speaker 1: Save the ab a dirt dirt already conned me out of the sack.

01:20:22
Speaker 2: Oh, what’s his plan?

01:20:24
Speaker 1: He wants it to be a sack. It’s like a little marble bag, big marble. It’s a nutsack the size of a crown royal sack. I told him, I said, I think you should keep all your dipping there, like instead of the little tins, dump all the tins into that nutsack and have a big nutsack full of the dip pouch.

01:20:43
Speaker 3: You could have made your powder bag out of that.

01:20:46
Speaker 2: I gave it away. Yep, I do that. I’d find I do that.

01:20:51
Speaker 1: And then all the time, all the time, I gave away my red stag from New Zealand, I gave away my Himalayan tar rug. Yeah, all time. It’s a terrible habit.

01:21:03
Speaker 2: Then lay it. I’m like son of a gun.

01:21:04
Speaker 3: But you got some skulls coming back to Yeah.

01:21:07
Speaker 1: I’m not giving that stuff away, but we’re gonna get that big hunk of hide, that big hunk of Cape buffalo hide, and anybody that wants can get a belt off that or whatever. Then I got that sable, I got the the sable and the roane nose to tail, hoofed of withers. I don’t know what I’m gonna do with them, rug them out, I don’t know, haven’t decided, haven’t decided. If you know, I shouldn’t say this, but if someone out there just really needs a roan or a sable full skin to because there’s their Cape got ruined or something.

01:21:42
Speaker 2: I don’t know, let me know.

01:21:44
Speaker 4: Probably not when it season thirteen out, I don’t know now now really.

01:21:50
Speaker 2: Oh, it’s right now. Okay, stop listening to the show. Stop listening to the show and go watch. Dude, what are you sitting here?

01:21:56
Speaker 4: For?

01:21:57
Speaker 2: People? Where do we watch it? YouTube’s go around on YouTube and watch. It’s on the tube.

01:22:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would you be listening to this and you could be watching that?

01:22:06
Speaker 4: Yeah?

01:22:06
Speaker 2: Is it on Outdoor Channel Sportsmans Channel Monday nights.

01:22:12
Speaker 1: Yep, it’ll be on all of our you know, all of our digital channels outdoors Yeah, Outdoor Channel, Sportsman Channel October twenty, dig in, don’t look like it. It’s a little warm for October twenty.

01:22:32
Speaker 3: I know where I’m gonna be October twenty too, Me too.

01:22:39
Speaker 2: All right, thanks for joining everybody,