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Speaker 1: Hit It Phil Boom. This week on the news show, we’re talking about Senate Republicans giving a big old thumbs up to a toxic copper sulfide mine just outside of the Boundary Waters Wilderness on the Superior National Forest. Oklahoma starts letting deer breeders cut their pet deer loose in the wild, thinking it’ll somehow help genetics, despite any reason to think so. Paddlefish anglers in Missouri are practicing catch, mutilate and release fishing has made that up. Spencer’s interested in a meteor shower, which is cool yea. And Steve Bitches even more about Colorado’s asenine animal rights movement, plus a lot more. Joined today by doctor Randa Williams. Jordan Sillers is here from Blood Trails podcasts and many other things.
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Speaker 2: Dr Jordan Stillers sorry, Doctor Jordan’s.
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Speaker 3: Side of the table.
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Speaker 2: It’s fine, fine, I’m a big credentialist.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Doctor Jordan Sillers is here.
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Speaker 4: Jack’s instage Spencer B A.
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Speaker 1: Spencer Newhart, g BG b A. Brody Henderson.
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Speaker 5: You did a great job reading that intro, but I’m curious as to whether you mistakenly said Steve Bitches or you’re now referring to yourself as Steve on the third person, Like that’s a thing.
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Speaker 1: Now, No, it’s not, because it’s I was just trying to keep it the format. Yeah, it’s like picture that you’re at home.
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Speaker 2: He dissociates for the introduction, pitch.
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Speaker 1: More about Colorado’s Okay, anti Ferbank.
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Speaker 6: When you’re talking to your wife, you’re not like Steve needs to clean his room.
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Speaker 1: No, No, I’m going to bitch about the Colorado’s Firman, Okay. And there’s a bunch of just it’s yeah, I’m just gonna go off on it for a while, like an hour.
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Speaker 6: I want to hear it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve and I just returned from Illinois. Was I just did a roast episode. I was watching the edit and uh, I said that the montas Tenna State University Bobcats pounded the Illinois whoever. Yeah, you know, for whatever reason. Growing up, Like, I just said that a lot. And it was later in life when I was finally corrected. And it’s still just a.
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Speaker 2: Hard habit to break for me.
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Speaker 3: Anyways, we were in Illinois hunting turkeys with the winners, actually not the winner. We hunted with the brothers in law of the winner of last year’s r.
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Speaker 1: C had a baby and couldn’t make it, Yeah, or was.
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Speaker 3: His wife was about to have a baby and couldn’t be gone, and so he sent his two brothers in law, which was very nice of him, And I felt like, what a great thing for all three of those brothers to be so lucky to marry into that group of people and be like, oh, you’re running your brother in law and oh you like to hunt a lot? I mean not everybody gets that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Anyways, amazing hunt. Quite possibly the best day of Eastern turkey hunting I’ve experienced. Would you say yours was equally as good?
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Speaker 1: We had a hell of a day one day. Very interesting day, Yeah, very interesting day.
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Speaker 3: Lots of birds playing ball, as we like to say. Yeah, made me feel like a real expert turkey caller. Are we gonna go into talking about any of the details of the hunting or you.
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Speaker 6: Get any of those like thirty pounders?
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Speaker 1: No huge?
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Speaker 3: No, No, they’re big, but you know, we had a bunch of scales that didn’t have batteries in them, and so it’s hard to weigh.
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Speaker 1: I felt like I had a lifetime of turkey experiences in one day probably the best. You know, Like, you know, Turkey’s like to strut on railroad tracks, so does this group of turkeys in this place is like it’s nothing but railroad tracks. It’s like railroad tracks because we’re hunting along a valley. The tracks go down the valley. Trains are amazing your major part of hunting. Here Turkey’s strutting on the tracks. And it leads to the question, like what do they do when the train comes? So like you get all excited thinking the train’s gonna come and they’re gonna go flying way off. You know, when the train comes, they step out of the way. I mean they stepped out of the way the train going by, and they’re like like, unlet’s just go down the embankment and stand there.
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Speaker 3: These aren’t slow ass Montana trains like the one I deal with almost on a daily basis that you feel like you could just about run next to and grab the ladder and jump onto the Like I stepped out of the way for a train. And when I was with Andy, we took a video. I mean that sucker was humming like like a solid sixty miles an hour, just like the cars are just like half a second.
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Speaker 5: You know, you know you’ve talked about fly seeing a hand coming at them.
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Speaker 6: Maybe the turkeys.
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Speaker 1: It’s so fair, yeah, so fair us. It seems slow to them. A lot of turkey hunt experiences.
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Speaker 3: A lot of turkey hunting. Yeah, it was It was cool. They played ball. But we just want to give everybody a heads up that we’re going to have the time period when you can buy raffle tickets for next year or next year’s for the twenty twenty seven hunt. And I believe we’re working on securing the same form.
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Speaker 1: I think that if he’s up for it, and he said, let me know if you want to do this again, if that host is up for it, that will be the home. Yep. Both of the winners got their birds. Yep, fairly quickly. They both My guy got his first ever turkey. My buddy Andy came out and shift shift.
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Speaker 3: For it makes it worth it.
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Speaker 1: We had smoke king, salmon, meal deer uh. We had spot proms from Alaska. We had like Mule do your kill Basa. Our host one night brought over ribb eyes. We had razor clams.
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Speaker 3: He did that thing with the We talked about this before on a show where you velvet the meat with the baking soda, you know, and then he deep fried it and did like a asiany kind of a dish, so good.
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Speaker 2: And I wonder if we could sell more tickets to the raffle if it was like you guys, and then more of us also come along too.
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Speaker 1: I think so yeah, But I don’t know. But it’s a it’s I don’t know, it’s not an infinite turkey spot that we should probably and hunt and listen. I actually you want to hear like a long story.
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Speaker 3: But no, because it has a this is there’s something to be learned from Andy’s story, and this is what it is. But I’ll tell you that first, and then you tell me if we should tell the story. He basically missed a bunch of turkeys and we can just say say that’s it. I can tell you about all the hunts.
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Speaker 4: How many is a bunch?
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Speaker 3: He missed three different We.
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Speaker 1: Talk like missed opportunities, missshots, and the missed opportunity great. I’ve been friends with him, I’ve been friends with him since we were like in school.
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Speaker 6: I’m looking forward to hearing his version at the Shack this summer.
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Speaker 3: He’s still in that place of turkey hunting. When that gobler comes over the ridge and there’s his head and all you can see is his head, and you have two seconds maybe three to kill him. He’s not processing all of that fast enough to go there. He is, bang and kill him. He goes, oh, okay, turkey, okay, one more step and then I’ll pull it and then the turkey’s gone, you know. But here’s the deal. After all that, we get back, we’re rushing. It’s the last morning we got to get to the airport. And I’m like, we got to shoot this gun because he’s shooting my gun, and I’m going to shoot the gun because I want to see if my gun’s off. So I set up a target thirty yards, pull the trigger, smoke it. It’s got a red yeah, red dot. And uh so I got this box that I oh unfolded so it’s super long. I just drew a bunch of black circles on it, and the way I put up against the tree, one is like thirty inches off the ground, and then other black circles like at ground level. I said, all right, sit down and shoot that top top circle. He shoots it. The whole patterns on the bottom circle like at least two feet low. And I didn’t have him repeat it because he’s shootings my tss ammo at twelve bucks every time he pulls the trigger. And uh, but the best I can figure you guys, can you know, give me your opinion on this. But I know that with a pistol, when I start missing the target, you know what I’m doing is I’m pushing into that gun and I’m missing low because I’m like anticipating in recoils, I’m pushing the gun and the pushing the barrel down, And that’s why you miss low because usually, like if someone that has a real bad flat insure a jerk right, they’re like pulling the gun left or right, like a right he usually is gonna jerk it right lefty jerks that left or maybe up a little bit. But I feel like here he was sort of.
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Speaker 7: Preloading, countering the recoil, counting the recoil, and before he got the trigger to break his gun was you know, and thirty yards he was two feet low.
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Speaker 2: You have named two feet above the head of the turkey.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean had we gone right back out, yeah, we maybe would have had had to do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he did in troubleshoot these misses till after the fact. Yeah, yeah, phenomenal, phenomenal clause.
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Speaker 3: I want to wrap it up with this. I feel bad because I think about all the people out there that have had experiences like that and without diagnosing that, their friends just go, you’re a shitty shot, bud, and they believe it, and no one like fixes it, and they go through their life being like, oh man, I’m a shitty shot. Maybe they quit hunting or or whatever it is, but like.
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Speaker 1: Then they’re putt a name to the problem.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it’s fixable, right, Like do the old thing where you get your buddy and then he either loads or doesn’t load the shotgun for you and the hands it to you and it has you shoot at the target. And then when he gives you one, it’s empty, and you know, you pull the trigger and go.
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Speaker 1: And jump.
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Speaker 3: Then you know, you know, you got a little bit of a flinch.
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Speaker 1: Last thought about Illinois turkey hunting is that one o’clock cut off? You gotta quit it one? Yeah, just changes it. It’s humane, it’s more humane for humans. Yeah, could you get you get.
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Speaker 3: A nice nap in.
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Speaker 5: I used to be against it, but now I think I like it because you just concentrate all your effort in half a day and not worry about the rest.
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Speaker 1: I’ll tell you what time it gets light to the time it gets dark.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but like you said, often, if you’re hunting the whole whole day like that, you do come in. You take a little breaks in your mind. Yeah, yeah, for sure. You gotta use toothpicks to keep.
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Speaker 1: Ten o’clock getting supposed to be brutal.
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Speaker 3: Were at every night? It was beautiful anyway, So keep an eye and an ear out from when we start talking about next year’s TRCP Turkey Hunt. It’s gonna be fun and phenomenal, all.
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Speaker 1: Right, Jordan. So it was supposed to do in your your neck of the woods there, Jordan oh Man. Well, well, I’m.
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Speaker 8: Glad you asked, Steve. Blood Trail season two is out now. First episode is out. We’re going to be releasing them every Thursday over the next eight weeks. So if you didn’t catch it last season, Blood Trails is our true crime podcast about hunters and anglers, So we cover stories where people outside get in some pretty serious trouble. So we got a pretty interesting lineup this season from all around the country. We have people who were killed, murdered, people who disappeared without a trace. So I think, I think, I hope people will enjoy it and tune in.
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Speaker 1: I thought of you today and I was reading an article about a diver that just found a family that had been missing since the fifties.
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Speaker 9: Oh Man in a lake or they.
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Speaker 1: Went out to cut Christmas tree boughs to make wreaths outside of Portland and a diver just found their car. Wow. They had kind of known a little bit about what had happened because they found a couple of the family members dead in the river, like in fifty nine or something like that. So and the car had never turned up. So one theory was that the car went into the river. But there was like a big man hunt and a big search, and now a diver found the family car in more human remains.
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Speaker 9: That’s wild.
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Speaker 1: Made me think about you. Yeah, well, isn’t that funny that that’s how people think about you?
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Speaker 4: Now?
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Speaker 1: I know, I know you see my inbox the worst news I read. I bet he’d like to hear about this. That catches.
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Speaker 4: It’s great in TV, it’s kind of universally accepted that season three of a show is the best. That’s the peak. It’s where where your characters are established, your storylines are colliding. Just the whole thing is sort of matured.
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Speaker 2: I don’t have to recycle anything.
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Speaker 4: Season three is the pinnacle. So as good as Blood Trails is in season two right now, mm, season three, it gets even better.
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Speaker 1: I usually feel like by season three on TV shows, I don’t watch serial shows because of this reason. I can start smelling them writing it.
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Speaker 3: I can.
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Speaker 1: I can smell them writing.
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Speaker 9: It like they’re predictable.
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Speaker 1: I can smell them trying to keep it going okay, like it’s they’re past the original idea. Not a whiff of that in Blood Trails though, No, no, it’s not a serial drama.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Phil, that’s that’s like a thing, right.
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Speaker 3: Sure.
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Speaker 10: I don’t necessarily agree because most of a lot of my favorite TV shows, I think their best seasons are like four and five. But I but I do think season three is that’s a pretty good theory.
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Speaker 5: That’s something to think about though for the audience. One case, and you do like twenty episodes on one case, so we.
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Speaker 8: Are this summer planning a three, three or four we haven’t decided yet. Mini series On one case, really.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah about when my fish got stolen. You’re familiar with it.
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Speaker 9: No, no, we’re gonna do uh.
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Speaker 8: And we talked to them, actually, these guys who got stuck over in Turks and Caicos because oh yeah, they had their luggage, we did, but we interviewed them when they were still stuck on the island, so they had to be kind of careful about what they shared and what they didn’t.
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Speaker 9: Now they’re home, you know. Spoiler alert.
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Speaker 1: Yes, there’s enough there for three episodes.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I saw listen.
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Speaker 8: I talked to the guy who was in prison out over there for eight months. This prison was declared by the UN to be a human rights violation. Wow, I talked to him for five hours. It’s there’s some crazy stories from a Turks and Caicos prison, as you might imagine.
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Speaker 9: So there’s there’s plenty there for uh.
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Speaker 1: I’ll trust your instincts, I and your new season’s off to you a strong start.
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Speaker 8: Yes, yes, episode one is out. It’s about a hunter up near Helena. So this neck of the woods who was murdered checked up too, Yeah, back in twenty eleven, and his remains were found in two separate locations, and so lots. You know that that story is a lot of twists and turns. In that one, you think you know what’s happening, and then it’s a you’re not expecting, what’s what’s about to happen?
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Speaker 3: Real characters. Yeah, my daughter and I listened over the course of the last twenty four hours and we enjoyed it. It was a good episode.
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Speaker 1: Good Yeah, thank you Phil. Corrections, corrections, corrections, the winner correction this week. Win a Moultrie Edge three Pro trail camera plus. And here’s the important part. M plus a one year subscription. That’s what matters. Man.
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Speaker 3: I got mine recently. I didn’t even know I could do this. I need to get better at knowing my products. I got mine rigged up now than the ones that I have, the new ones where it only takes a picture of a deer or a turkey.
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Speaker 1: Have you turned off have you turned off squares yet? That’s interesting?
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah?
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Speaker 6: If the other one trespassers walking.
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Speaker 1: Around, if a chup of copper comes by, what if a bigfoot comes by? That’s why I don’t I like the feature in theory, but in practice, do you really wanted to tell your camera you get something earth shattering? If there’s a setting like like deer turkey or something crazy, you cans one of.
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Speaker 6: The coolest things you’re like an alligator walk.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, or like a chuop of cobber with an alligator.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, I guess I’m taking a chance.
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Speaker 1: And this yeah, that’s so.
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Speaker 3: That is that then?
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Speaker 1: And how you can turn off squares there’s a grid and if there’s like areas that are always giving you false trips, like if you got like birds fly by and trip, you can be like, well, I’m gonna shut those squares off, But what if a choop of coabra comes through those squares, flying.
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Speaker 4: On the cont steam walking like a naked old man walked by? Now Yanni doesn’t have to subject himself to seeing that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that’s true.
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Speaker 2: But what there might be some things you don’t want to see you won’t be able to unsee.
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Speaker 1: So the winner of the winner of this week’s trip correction of the week will can sort through these conundrums on the camera. Whether or not you want to get specific with integrated AI technology or whether you want to just see every crazy naked old man and chewp of cobra out there. It’s up to you, Okay, this is one of those ones. We we got a lot of crrections on the subject of the Tsavo man eaters, these two lions that kept eating a bunch of people, so many people in fact, that they shut down construction of a railroad. We looked at a great painting where the lions are eating the dude’s foot. That was great painting, and a lot of people wrote in they think that the lions, I said, one hundred and forty people.
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Speaker 6: Well, that’s what was in the book, the original book.
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Speaker 1: It seems like the lions probably eate closer than forty people. Closer to forty people. There’s a couple of little interesting and again a correction can be like missing information. A couple interesting tidbits. When render pest came through Africa and started killing like almost wiped out Kate buffalo, right, So this is also during the render pest epidemic, when prey species were in massive decline.
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Speaker 6: You explain render past real quick.
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Speaker 3: You should.
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Speaker 1: I know it’s a cattle disease that did a bunch of did a bunch of animals in Africa caught when it came in on cattle, But no, I can’t have the s can’t go on forever.
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Speaker 6: That detail, Like, I think people would have not understood what was going on.
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Speaker 1: A disease came in on cattle and wiped out tons of African wildlife, including was the was devastating for Kate buffalo. So these lions were potentially low on food because of the render pest epidemic killing all the wildlife. They probably had some dental injuries, that’s supposed. And here’s the other thing is that while they were working on the railroad, and also just because of cultural practices, there were more human corpses out on the landscape in those days than there are today, So a lion could get a taste for eating folks just from that. It’d be like if we you don’t buy that.
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Speaker 5: No, then why wouldn’t they just look for corpses. They wouldn’t be like, oh, I’m gonna go get like a live human. I’m just not buying.
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Speaker 1: Like sure, all right, bro, he’s not buying that part either way. That’s a correction, the meat of the correction being forty not one forty. That’s fair.
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Speaker 2: And they I read some of the studies that he sent and they basically are looking because they have the remains of these lions, they’re looking at their hair and bone collagen, and they can look at sort of the chemical signatures of their diet and they show like you could see, like month by month, how how much more of their diet was humans. Oh really yeah, it’s one of the lions said, like in the final months of eighteen ninety eight, one of the lions peaked at roughly thirty percent of its diet as humans.
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Speaker 4: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Ye uh okay. I brought up that hunters. I was saying that fireron enthusiasts shooters could start a class action lawsuit and sue the government for making suppress is hard to get, and the class action lawsuit would be that the government made us all go deaf. I was just trying this out. I wasn’t like, you know what I mean. I wasn’t I hadn’t taken steps to initiate this class action lawsuit, but I was amusing about the class action lawsuit. An attorney wrote in and he basically is saying, good luck with that. Hearing protection is widely available. The possibility of hearing loss is widely documented. You don’t have to go shoot your gun. It’s kind of your problem. He thinks that this class action lawsuit is doomed to fail.
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Speaker 5: Interesting conversation we had earlier in regards to this one of our employees who is in the military. There was a company that provided hearing protection to everyone. They all, and this guy said, they all still ended up with hearing damage despite having hearing protection.
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Speaker 2: So and there was some liability on the part of the manufacturer.
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Speaker 5: Despite the fact that hearing protection is widely available, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to prevent hearing loss.
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Speaker 1: He says. The actual cause of the hearing loss is that we made decisions to fire guns without wearing readily available hearing protection. Since hearing protection is readily available at nearly every sportsman shop, each of us had ample opportunity to prevent hearing loss. I’m not writing this because I oppose the idea. I’m writing this with institutional knowledge of the legal world and would hate to see someone waste their money or time exploring such a farce. I think it’s mean.
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Speaker 6: Your case is a farce.
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Speaker 4: If you decide to pursue this, Steve, you’ll have a lot of backers. I don’t know if this crossed your desk, but you talking about this when viral on TikTok got half a million views, twenty thousand likes. Oh so people are like that, that’s Steve Vanella. We could win this thing.
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Speaker 1: I do a lot of social media.
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Speaker 6: This guy’s got a great lawyer name though Squire. Yeah, Dylan Esquire.
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Speaker 2: Alright, our next correction comes for me. He writes in I’m a ballistian who specializes in small caliber internal ballistics. It’s a fascinating field.
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Speaker 1: Are you just gonna seriously just breeze past he’s a ballistician.
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Speaker 6: Because that’s cool.
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Speaker 3: I didn’t know.
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Speaker 1: No, it’s great.
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Speaker 2: No, that’s why I’m reading this. That’s why I’m reading his introduction words.
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Speaker 1: I’m a ballistician.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, like you want to talk about bona fides, and I like his specialty in small caliber internal ballistics.
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Speaker 1: The hell’s he?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, internal ballistics is from the ignition to the muzzle, which is fascinating.
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Speaker 1: He says, it’s all the truth. You think you think he’s lying.
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Speaker 2: He says it’s a fascinating field, which is in general poorly understood by most gun owners.
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Speaker 1: His name’s Geoff. Yeah. I like this guy.
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Speaker 2: He in that episode when we’re discussing suppressors, I sort of off handedly at the end made a very dry joke that there’s someone out there working on quiet gunpowder, and so he wrote in to say that that’s impossible. He says, the noise generated by a gunshot comes from two things, the rapid expansion of gases and the supersonic crack of the projectiles that breaks the sound barrier.
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Speaker 1: There.
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Speaker 2: It really isn’t a way to make an inherently quieter chemical propellant, as it’s the gas expansion and subsequent release of pressure that makes the noise. It’s essentially a very high pressure version of popping a balloon. And then he goes on. He goes on to say that even air guns are allowed. When you get up to the larger air rifles, the most powerful air guns can do about six thousand psi at the chamber. Your average sixty five creed more has a chamber pressure of ten times that and two to three times that at the muzzle, depending on powder charge, bulletweight, and barrel length. The only way to mitigate this is to use the suppressor to slow down gas expansion. Now you’re just letting go of the balloon instead of popping it, which is a great, great illustration Aside from that, make sure you’re using ammunition thin gets full powder burned before the bullet exits the tubes. Short barrels, especially on ars, are notorious for being many flash bangs as the last of the powder charge is burned externally. It really doesn’t make it quieter, but it does cut down on how concussive the shot is. And micro TBIs are cumulative. So what’s a TBI traumatic brain injury?
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Speaker 1: Oh, there is the study.
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Speaker 2: There is a story in the Times, like a couple months ago about how how much brain damage just done like shooting pistols indoors And it was I mean I don’t remember.
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Speaker 6: It was a concussion.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just like micro concussions hitting you all the time.
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Speaker 1: See, I don’t do that that wants to I was smart.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: It seems like this guy’s telling you you made a really bad joke.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I know.
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Speaker 2: I rewatched it to make sure that I you did.
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Speaker 1: The delivery was randall sense it.
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Speaker 2: Well, it’s just like I was like, how bad was my delivery that that wasn’t understood as a joke. But nonetheless, I’m glad this guy wrote in because I like his like his style.
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Speaker 1: Well, I’m voting for him because I like it that he’s a ballistician.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I like that he’s an old man who still puts two spaces between period and capitalized.
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Speaker 3: That’s great. I’m glad.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I always appreciate seeing that.
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Speaker 1: You know, you vote for reason.
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Speaker 4: I’m just saying I like that this person learned to type on a type.
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Speaker 9: I’m not voting him for that reason.
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Speaker 1: Okay, OKAYR vote the vote Savo man eaters three votes.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Class action lawsuit not Gonna work is one of zero votes, zero votes, Randall being dumb.
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Speaker 6: Clear winner.
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Speaker 1: Ye.
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Speaker 2: At first when I read because his subject lind his low volume powder, and I was like, man, this is gonna be really interesting. I thought he was talking about like the volume of powder in a case, and then I realized it was about my bad joke.
00:27:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, enjoy your camera and your subscription multi camera and subscription, Thank you very much.
00:27:45
Speaker 3: A couple of.
00:27:46
Speaker 1: Listener emails, guy wrote in that his wife makes him go to Greek or see. This is terrible. I’m gonna read it anyways. He’s Roman Catholic and he says when I when we go to my church, you know, church service is forty five.
00:28:03
Speaker 4: Minutes he’s home for kickoff.
00:28:05
Speaker 1: He says his wife is Greek Orthodox, and he says they get a little carried away. He’s been listening to the podcast in there because he’s got these new hearing aids that bluetooth in, so no one knows what he’s doing. They don’t even know that. They don’t think he’s listening to anything. He’s piping in on his hearing aids.
00:28:23
Speaker 3: Hero.
00:28:23
Speaker 1: But he says, now and then he’s in there smirking.
00:28:26
Speaker 6: You can’t say this guy’s name, or his wife’s gonna find no.
00:28:29
Speaker 1: No, no, He told his wife that might have given don’t say his name because then the preacher might.
00:28:34
Speaker 3: Get Yeah, he confessed to his wife. Since it was obvious, I had no painful expressions on my face. It was smiling from the time. We don’t want to church.
00:28:44
Speaker 1: No, no two hour service, two hour service to that church.
00:28:48
Speaker 4: He felt like he needed to have more painful expressions. That’s what he’s saying.
00:28:52
Speaker 2: Okay, No, they didn’t have the usual scowl.
00:28:56
Speaker 6: Being worse of it as a two hour service with a gobbler right outside the church.
00:29:00
Speaker 3: I know.
00:29:00
Speaker 1: And then you couldn’t hunt in Mississippi because I be against the law as covered on the news show. Another guy wrote it and just make real quick. He used to be struggle with do with his remains. I’ve talked about that. I would like my remains hauled out in the mountains where they could be eaten by a bear. He had an idea, which is very interesting because the problem my idea is then you got us task your family members with like like carrying your carcass.
00:29:22
Speaker 3: Around and then probably becoming a future episode of blood trails.
00:29:27
Speaker 1: His idea, you just get cremated and then mix it in and put it at a black bear bait station, so that way you can be eaten by bears very conveniently. Yeah.
00:29:41
Speaker 3: I wonder if you went the green burial route and you went through that paperwork or whatever, and then instead of doing the burial, you just ended up at the bait station kind of hole like you want to be like if that would pass.
00:29:56
Speaker 1: But if you did that and then a dude killed a bear at that eight station and then he learned he ate you, he’s gonna be not happy.
00:30:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, that’s okay.
00:30:07
Speaker 1: Whatever they have.
00:30:08
Speaker 4: They have little trees you can buy where you add like the compost to it. It’s supposed to be cremated remains, so then you’re like growing that tree, and then someone could put a tree stand in it. Someday it’s an option.
00:30:20
Speaker 1: Lost things do with your body. I talked.
00:30:22
Speaker 8: I talked to a guy up in Maine, canine handler for Search and rescue.
00:30:28
Speaker 9: He told me that their dogs can smell.
00:30:33
Speaker 8: They they smelled some like bear scat or coyote scat, and they signaled on it because they could smell the human that they’d eaten. So it had gone through the digestive tract and the dogs could still smell it in that scat, which I thought was pretty Is that covered in Blood Trails episode two?
00:30:51
Speaker 9: Coming out?
00:30:51
Speaker 2: This cools gracious guys, pro there you go, oh.
00:30:55
Speaker 3: Man, but you know what you guys are commenting on how good his idea is. He has a question at the end of his email. His question is that he.
00:31:07
Speaker 1: Knows the idea.
00:31:09
Speaker 3: He knows that there’s going to be other critters coming in there to eat his remains, like raccoons, and he doesn’t like raccoons for some reason, and so he wants to know how to keep raccoons and other pests away from the bear bane, only let the bears eat it.
00:31:24
Speaker 1: I don’t know.
00:31:26
Speaker 6: Hanging that stuff up where, hanging in a way that.
00:31:29
Speaker 3: You can’t I say, you shouldn’t be against the raccoons the critters too. Let them eat some of you and spread you around the woods a little bit. You know, like, what’s the problem with the coons?
00:31:41
Speaker 1: Just give it or give it to Clay and have Clay put it and you’ll have eight bears eating it.
00:31:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, But what happens if the raccoons really get after it and you’re like clean it out. You’re like, oh, what was the deal with so and so. He’s like, oh, well his final wish was to be eaten by bear raccoons. And then you’re like, well he was mostly eating by raccoons, but one bear did come in. You know, take some of the romance out of it.
00:32:04
Speaker 1: If you go a thin like you get your body back and you put it the ashes at a low ratio or ground up, howve you do it? If you can get it ground up and mix it in a lot and just make sure you got a lot of bait, everything’s gonna partake. You’re gonna have ravens flying around with you in them, crows flying around.
00:32:30
Speaker 6: To be romantic if you’re just going everywhere.
00:32:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, you’re all your naso predators, big Yeah, it’s great. Etiquick Yeah, and etiquette, etiquette, thank you.
00:32:45
Speaker 5: Okay, turkey hunting, I exclusively hunt public land in Virginia. Uh and a lot on the national forest. A lot of the national forest out here butt right up against private owned by people. Build little hunting cabins last spring, or find a great spot that butted up against private. There’s clearly mark public access. I’m not on anyone else’s land. It’s right off the main road. Went into hunt it opening morning, got there really early, not long before gobbling time. Another truck pulled in, so they must have still been like out getting ready in the parking lot or whatever. It was an old timer. He was friendly, but said he owned the adjacent private land and he parks his truck there during the season to deter other hunters from Sure. Yeah, yes, his friend picks them up and takes them creative.
00:33:34
Speaker 1: Just just to help people connect the dots here. He’s creating the appearance that someone’s already there.
00:33:40
Speaker 6: This is not something that I’ve never heard of before.
00:33:43
Speaker 1: This old man invent this.
00:33:44
Speaker 3: I’m sure someone in this room has done this.
00:33:46
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe.
00:33:48
Speaker 5: He has to exchange numbers and said would love to know if you get one. I hunted it anyways that day and killed a nice gobbler. Now, after him telling me he’s trying to keep people out of there, I wasn’t really keen.
00:34:03
Speaker 6: On letting him know that I got one. A year later, the day before opening day this year, after having not heard from this guy in over a year, wouldn’t know him from Adam.
00:34:13
Speaker 5: He texts me asking where I’m going in the mornings, not as though he’d like to tag along, but just wants to know where I’m going. I know I’m not entitled to let him know that I’m hunting the land adjacent to his. I get sharing info, so we’re both not pulling up to hunt the same spot. But like he’s not buying that that’s where this guy’s going with it. He’s just like trying to keep tabs on this guy. I don’t appreciate another hunter trying to keep track of where I’m going. I don’t really trust him either, since he’s trying to keep people out of public land. I’m kind of at a loss what to do. Should I just not respond? Should I tell him to go kick rocks? Should I just tell him the general area I’m going to. I would not respond, Eh, well, maybe you should respond, because you never know when you might need to get on that guy’s land to like retrieve a bird, or who knows, you could get in a pickle and need his help or something.
00:35:08
Speaker 3: I don’t know.
00:35:10
Speaker 2: I just text him two days later and say sorry, didn’t see this, got one, got one, and then send him a smiling picture of you in a different place.
00:35:20
Speaker 1: It’s a tough one, tough one.
00:35:22
Speaker 3: I can’t not tough. There’s so many right answers. It really comes down to how he’s perceiving.
00:35:27
Speaker 1: The saying, like how to be I’m not saying how to be friendly, I’m saying how would you hand like like would you share with him? You know, would you share with him to say, you know, I’m not sure where I’m going to be hunting. I’ve been thinking though, that the move of trying to create the feeling that someone else is there doesn’t sit well with me, right yes, which is like that’s the thing that you need to say. That’s the rug.
00:35:55
Speaker 5: The thing is is if you go like agro on the guy, he’s probably gonna come back you agro and like seize your truck park there, and then he’s got a prop you know what I mean.
00:36:05
Speaker 3: Oh, I wasn’t gonna suggest you go, And I would say use it to your advantage and just become buddies with him and be like, oh, because you’re doing this and I’m in on it, Like I sort of well, you know, I’m I’m in on the thing.
00:36:21
Speaker 1: But you say, hey, I’m hunting back in our little spot. What can we do to make sure no one else does.
00:36:32
Speaker 2: In that spot?
00:36:33
Speaker 1: Again, that’s what you do.
00:36:37
Speaker 3: I’m just saying that there’s options, you know.
00:36:40
Speaker 6: But like the detail about this guy using a vehicle to keep people out of a spot.
00:36:46
Speaker 1: Is but he’s not keeping them out. No, it’s subterfuge. It’s subterfuge.
00:36:52
Speaker 6: It’s trying to persuade them not to go in there for sure.
00:36:59
Speaker 3: And I mean I’ve hunted spots like that, and when there’s a truck already there, you’re not gonna stop. You’re gonna go to the next pole. Off.
00:37:05
Speaker 1: There’s a there’s a there’s a mindset like for instance, you know, I I have friends in Alaska that advocate on having a very brightly colored tent. They like a bright colored tent. Why they don’t want to be hidden. They want people to be like, ah, damn it. Yeah, there’s dudes down there hunting.
00:37:29
Speaker 6: From the air, you can see, you can see.
00:37:31
Speaker 1: Yeah. So if they said, well, what I do is I set brightly colored tents all over the place, they be like is it? Is it wrong?
00:37:41
Speaker 6: Or is it just a you know, a dick move?
00:37:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, or just a move? A move like its parking. He’s not if he was putting up a sign that says no trespassing, that’s flat out immoral. That’s immoral and illegal.
00:37:54
Speaker 3: I think.
00:37:56
Speaker 1: Parking a car to create the illusion of pressure. I don’t. I don’t know that it’s immoral. It’s just like a it’s a little move, it’s a move. I don’t think it’s immoral.
00:38:10
Speaker 3: I think it is.
00:38:11
Speaker 6: I think there’s a there’s a there’s a.
00:38:15
Speaker 3: Spencer.
00:38:16
Speaker 1: I don’t. I’m not saying I like it. I just don’t think it’s he’s.
00:38:19
Speaker 6: Going through a lot. He’s having his buddy pick him up, like he’s going through some steps.
00:38:23
Speaker 1: What do you think, Spencer. I wouldn’t text this guy, uh specifics like is the neighbor being immoral?
00:38:28
Speaker 4: It wouldn’t bother me that much. It’s just like a little game he’s playing and he thinks it’s gonna, you know, give him a ten percent chance more of killing something. I’m okay with it, but he’s not.
00:38:38
Speaker 2: I mean, correct me if I’m wrong. But he’s not hunting that area. He’s just trying to keep people.
00:38:42
Speaker 1: Away from the hunting the area.
00:38:44
Speaker 9: Wouldn’t it’s because he’s not hunting the area.
00:38:47
Speaker 1: That’s why it’s if he was hunting, what’s he supposed to do in his car? If he’s hunting the area, he’s trying to create a bub between.
00:38:54
Speaker 2: I understand that, but like, like what Spencer’s saying, is this guy’s doing, Like, what’s the purpose of this guy’s game. It’s not to improve his odds, it’s just to keep yes, because.
00:39:03
Speaker 1: He has the private land right there.
00:39:07
Speaker 3: That day, he didn’t hunt it. Yeah, we don’t know what happens the rest of this season. Maybe he’s got family coming in a week and he wants to hunt those birds to live behind his place.
00:39:15
Speaker 2: I do think it’s immoral immoral, I’ll put if we’re if we’re judging it on moral or immoral, I would say immoral.
00:39:24
Speaker 1: What if I hung a sign up? Said the turkeys here are all dead.
00:39:29
Speaker 6: I’d be running in there.
00:39:31
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don’t like that.
00:39:33
Speaker 2: I don’t like messing with other people’s hunts.
00:39:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:39:36
Speaker 2: Like I do my business, you do your business, and we accommodate one another as best we can. I don’t like messing with somebody else.
00:39:43
Speaker 1: OK. Good, that’s good moral clarity.
00:39:46
Speaker 6: Thanks.
00:39:47
Speaker 1: That was waffling.
00:39:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, but are you then going to call him out on it? Because you’re not going to quit hunt that spot.
00:39:54
Speaker 2: I’m probably not going to call him out.
00:39:56
Speaker 3: On it, but because you’re then just going to go enjoy the fruit of his.
00:40:02
Speaker 2: I have nothing to do with it. You do respond to it if he asked me what I think about it. I don’t want to get into a confrontation with someone that I don’t like. I’d just be like, this is kind of a dick move whatever, you know.
00:40:14
Speaker 1: And then when he texts you like, hey, buddy, where you hunt and you just don’t reply.
00:40:17
Speaker 2: Probably not, I don’t know.
00:40:19
Speaker 1: I just.
00:40:21
Speaker 2: Like that’s weird to me.
00:40:23
Speaker 1: I don’t know.
00:40:24
Speaker 2: I just people just need to leave one another alone. Just less people, please, you know.
00:40:32
Speaker 3: I don’t know.
00:40:32
Speaker 2: I just want to go turkey hunting. I just want to go bear hunting, and like Brodie’s in the same trailhead, we can just say I’m gonna go this way, you go that way, whatever I don’t know, and be like, no, I’m just leaving all the games and subterfusion everything. It just bothers me.
00:40:50
Speaker 1: Real strong moral clarity.
00:40:52
Speaker 2: I don’t know so much in my worldview as relativists that it’s fun to just dig in my sometimes A.
00:41:01
Speaker 1: Hot tip on recovering lost arrows.
00:41:04
Speaker 3: We talked about this at least twice already, about arrows being lost at public archery ranges and what you should do when you find them, or how to find them or how to get your arrows back. Well, this fellow wrote in thanks to Tyler. He said, what he does is he writes his name and a phone number on his fletching, so when someone finds it they can just dial him up and then keep it easy instead of having to meet up somewhere. He just says, hey, stash it, and so and so spot at the range and I’ll grab it next time.
00:41:40
Speaker 1: So this is happening in him all the time.
00:41:43
Speaker 3: Often enough.
00:41:44
Speaker 1: I guess we got to put that one to rest. That’s good. It was about lost arrows in my yard. I’d be more interested.
00:41:52
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that’s a simple, like great solution to a problem.
00:41:56
Speaker 2: I love it.
00:41:57
Speaker 1: That’s true.
00:41:58
Speaker 4: We have not tip off on media to radio over the guy I said, he puts a small reflective tape in front of his veins and then he bought like a twelve dollars UV flashlight from Amazon. And you can see that thing from fifty yards away if you’re pointing the flashlight in the right direction.
00:42:11
Speaker 2: That’s where this all started. Yeah, that’s good, Randall, All right, I guess I’ll put on my moral hat again. Yeah, I mean this is big news. Last week, Republicans in the Senate voted to essentially kill the twenty year moratorium on this mine upstream of the Boundary Waters. Potential mine upstream of the Boundary Waters. It’s basically bent over backwards to let a Chilean billionaire take minerals out of the ground and send them to be processed in China, so.
00:42:55
Speaker 1: Then when they ship them back as products, they could be married tariffs. Yeah. Yeah, and this is our old stuff coming back.
00:43:01
Speaker 2: So seventy percent of Minnesota’s opposed to mind. Ninety eight percent of the six hundred and seventy five thousand public comments were opposed to it. Dozens of hunting and fishing organizations were opposed to it. And then the way that they did this too, like there’s a bunch of stuff you can get into here. The way that they did this was using the Congressional Review Act, which is a law it was passed in ninety six that lets Congress sort of override or cancel regulations put in place by federal agencies and they’re supposed to do it within sixty days. And it had not been used very much, I think the first twenty years of its existence. It was used once. Then it was used. There were five of them during Obama zero’s successful uses because he vetoed them, and then Biden used it three times. But of the forty two times this has been used, thirty eight of them have been under Trump. So it’s it’s not just a change in like policy.
00:44:05
Speaker 1: Ever.
00:44:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty eight out of the forty two have been have been so it’s a change.
00:44:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, it’ll be some lawyer will be like, hey, you know what we could try, right, and they have some luck with it.
00:44:16
Speaker 2: And the thing about it is that you can’t put the genie back in the bottle because once you use this act, they can never make a rule. That’s the agency can never come back and make a similar rule. So it sort of does it forever, Like it just overturns the decision forever. The mind’s not a done deal, like they still have to do permitting, and permitting could be a bear that could like kill it. But I mean, essentially the way this worked was, this is a Chilean mining company. In nineteen sixty six, they got mineral rights for this area. Their lease expired, they renewed it, expired again, they renewed it again, and then under Obama it expired. And at that point they basically said, you don’t have a right to automatically renew this lease. We need to reevaluate the merits and risks of having this lease in place, and so they put a two year moratorium in place so that they could do a study. Once Obama goes out of office, the billionaire guy in Chile, he basically kicks this right off. He and one of the weird things about this is in December of twenty sixteen, to write, after the election, he buys a six million dollar house in DC and rents it to Evanka Trump and Jared Kushner. It never goes on the market as a rental.
00:45:41
Speaker 1: He just buys it.
00:45:42
Speaker 2: They see it before the property’s even closed, and they move in.
00:45:46
Speaker 4: And they live there through twenty twenty two. I think it was a while.
00:45:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And then he like this guy has also met He’s met Trump before at a Patriots game because they’re buddies with Craft and Brady. But within weeks of the administration coming in, he starts, he starts communicating directly with Zinke and his staff. So all of a sudden, Zinke announces that the FEDS like the decision that we had to we could reevaluate. This was bad, and he says, actually we have to automatically renew the lease. So just like a pivot, sort of based on some strange legal technicality. So they reissue the lease. Zinkey says that it deserves further study, and then reissued the lease the next day. Meanwhile, the Forest Service under Sonny Purdue kills the study, even though he told Congress they would do the study. Long story short, Biden comes in, he cancels the lease, and they put in place this twenty they finished the study and put in place a twenty year moratorium on mining. Trump comes back in Zink’s now in Congress, and zinc The guy who took over for Zincy at Interior, David Bernhardt, who’s Trump’s other Secretary of the Interior in his first term. He is now working as a lobbyist for the Chilean mining company, and so zinc.
00:47:16
Speaker 1: At quite a nice little chunk of change. Yeah, I heard, yeah, I’ve heard.
00:47:20
Speaker 2: I heard from one source like one hundred thousand dollars a month. I couldn’t find documented proof of that. I saw some other reports that were like a couple hundred thousand a quarter, but I heard.
00:47:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard similar amounts. To try to push this thing through just real quick. Some people understand all the time when we say, ah mine people are familiar with the Boundy Waters Wilderness area. This is this is a mind that’s going in upstream of that in Superior National Forest. Superior National Forest, interestingly, was put in place by Theodore Roosevelt I think nineteen oh nine. What they do is there you’re pulling a bunch of rock up out of the ground that once it oxidizes, it produces an acid. And I mean like like you know, millions of like millions of tons.
00:48:13
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I’m like, I’ll point out that the fact that, like you’re hearing a lot of people say, but the mind’s not in the boundary waters, it’s important that it’s upstream or will be because this type of mind, there’s never been an example of this type of mind not resulting in in this pollution.
00:48:32
Speaker 2: Antifagasta is the Chilean company they just had in in January of this year. They have a copper sulfide mine in Chile that was they just received a bunch of fines for violating water quality of standards and monitoring. And yeah, it just seems like a bad actor that had some friends in the White House and they pushed it through. Like I’ve also heard there were a bunch of senators that were opposed to killing the moratorium and they kind of got phone calls from the White House And yeah, basically Zinki whipped it up in the House and pushed it through, and Bernhardt’s been lobbying for it, and now the moratorium can’t come back because they did it in this way. So for like a system in which we should have say in the management of our public lands, and you would hope that people can weigh in and make a difference in how their own public lands are managed. It’s kind of just a big slap in the face.
00:49:34
Speaker 1: Another interesting part of it is if you go back to last June when we were fighting the public land sell off. After that fight, the story sort of came out about this like grand coalition, and every time there’s a big public lands fight, like when it happened under Jason chaf it’s when it happened under Mike Lee. So Jace Chafis was like twenty seventeen or something like that last June. Both times it was like this proposal sell three million acres of public lands in the West. And the story afterward comes out and it’s like this coalition of sportsmen’s groups and this like unusual mix of these like traditionally right wing and traditionally left wing voices come together in support of whatever in this case. I mean, in this case, these sort of like Hunter Angler, you know, the Hunter Angler like right leaning block couldn’t deliver the goods. I mean, this thing went on party lines, dude, Like, like all all these Hunter Angler based conservation organizations of which I’m a board a board member of one could not turn Republican votes. Yeah, they’re just like like we’re going what we’re going with what the boss tells us on this one. And it was also like it was looking at times the vote looked good, the White House got involved in the vote, and then people chicken shit it out and people that talked about people that talked to there’s even people. There’s people that expressed knowing that they were voting wrong. They expressed that they were voting wrong but had to with that kind of stuff. Like it’s just like that kind of stuff’s infuriat.
00:51:28
Speaker 4: And you can feel it in some of the statements afterwards that some of these politicians made. They were almost like apologetic about, you know, their justification for how they voted, well.
00:51:37
Speaker 1: The justification for how they voted. Someone told them what to do.
00:51:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I will say, like I’ve seen I’ve seen a lot of comments out there, like some from our audience taking shots at like the like you know a lot of times and debates like this to hear people say this isn’t a partisan issue, right, like, like this is not a partisan issue. We just need to get it on. And to say something is not a partisan issue isn’t to like say that both sides are the same on this issue. It’s to say it’s to give space and say, like, you can be a Republican and do the right thing when it comes to this, right, like not in this case, Well yeah, I mean it’s not it’s like an aspiration. But what I’m saying is, like, it’s not it’s not a judgment that like, this was definitely a partisan vote, but like there are Republicans out there, or people who don’t identify as Republican but they might be conservative whatever. You can be opposed to this mind, no matter what walk of life you’re in, but like your representatives aren’t falling through on it, you know what I’m saying.
00:52:45
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, for the general population, it’s not partisan, but it certainly was partisan when the when it came to vote.
00:52:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So it’s not like when you say somethings when you say conservation is a non like should be a non partisan issue. It’s not exculpating.
00:53:02
Speaker 1: Like shit like this.
00:53:04
Speaker 2: It’s it’s meant to say, like, people from both parties can’t agree on this, but whether or not they’re elected officials are going to do the right thing is something entirely different.
00:53:13
Speaker 1: On the term in terms of saying stuff like that, I don’t want to spend all day on this one. This is a major issue in terms of sayings like that. When people will say to me or they’ll say whatever, they’re big, Well, I don’t want to get political. I don’t want to be political. But it’s like everything is political. The fact that Superior National Forest is there in the first place. How is Superior National Forest there because Theodore Roosevelt wrote it into existence? How did he have the authority to write it into existence because he won the election? The political one, like everything is political. Yeah, suppressors is political. Jordan’s gonna talk about Oklahoma releasing captive deer into the wild. I don’t want to get political. It’s political, right, We’re gonna talk about the Colorado Fairband political. It just it just is people that want to stay away from politics. Like, I get the sentiment of what you’re saying, but it’s not how things work.
00:54:09
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I like, yeah, I guess, But yes, on a non when when you say when you say like conservation, this isn’t a partisan issue. It means that people from both sides can agree on it, and it’s giving space for that.
00:54:23
Speaker 1: The great American outdoors.
00:54:24
Speaker 3: It’s not like.
00:54:25
Speaker 2: Giving Republicans a free pass on caw towing to the White House and pushing this through even though they know it’s the wrong thing to do.
00:54:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you’re right, there are non you know, there’s talk right now. It seems goofy, But like putting Theodore Roosevelt just got leaked the other day, putting Theodore Roosevelt in the Football Hall of Fame. Have you seen? This comes right on the heels of this boundary waters thing. So you’re like basically shitting on the legacy of Theodore Roosevelt. And then like a day later it’s leaked at like we’re gonna put them in the Football Hall of Fame, And you know he’d probably be like, yeah, if this is a trade off, I’ll go. I’ll go the preserve and the boundary waters from acid runoff. Please.
00:55:15
Speaker 2: So I guess the last thing to say is just like there’s still stuff you can do, like it like when we take a loss like this, you still can call up your representatives. You don’t need an excuse to call up your representatives and let them know.
00:55:30
Speaker 1: So if you if you’re if you’re how much good, that’ll see how far, I’ll get you on this one. Well, yeah, a lot of people did that, I know, but what else are you going to do?
00:55:40
Speaker 4: The State of Minnesota seems like they may have a move left to like prevent this. There’s also Canada will be involved. Uh, they’ve said that they’re going to resist this. Also local tribes they have like some say in this as well. And so there’s a few players who can maybe slow this down or stop it.
00:55:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, it’s not a done deal to move to it’ll move, It’ll move the next step. It was just a disappointing vote. It was a disappointing vote because so many people, so many representatives on the in this specific case, so many representatives on the Republican side signaled to conservation groups, signaled that they wanted to do the right thing, and then ultimately admitted that they couldn’t, which is like, you know, like.
00:56:25
Speaker 6: You said, chicken shits.
00:56:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess as far as calling them though, what I mean is like if somebody does the wrong thing and then nobody.
00:56:34
Speaker 1: Burdens their asked about it, you want listen buster, you want those people a mighty disappointed.
00:56:41
Speaker 2: You want those people in the office to be like shit like people are pissed off about this.
00:56:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, this vote.
00:56:48
Speaker 4: This was an open book test, Like the answer was so obvious that there shouldn’t be mining here because the public was so against it, the locals were against it. The history that these minds have, like it was clear that the answer is no, we don’t allow this. And so I think it’s fair for our audience to, uh, you know, look at these politicians in the future when when mister politician campaigns on being an outdoorsman, a hunter and angler, a conservationist, a public land advocate. Uh, it’s reasonable to be like, I don’t think you get a second chance on this. Like you you failed this open book test so spectacularly that I don’t believe you. And the consequence of that is I’m not going to vote for you because of your track record on like this exact thing.
00:57:33
Speaker 1: I don’t say if you.
00:57:35
Speaker 2: Say, that’s a good segment.
00:57:36
Speaker 1: Randall’s good segment, Randall, And great wrap up. Great wrap up from Spencer new That’s inspiring.
00:57:44
Speaker 4: There should be consequences when they when they mess it up that bad. That’s it.
00:57:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, man, I gotta talk. I’m gonna I haven’t I’m gonna I gotta speak in DC at an event. At dinner, I’m gonna talk a little bit about the boundary waters. Ok. Yeah, good, Jordan. So I should be doing this segment because I just came from Oklahoma yesterday. Oh yeah, I didn’t see none of these deer my neck of the was I didn’t see none of these deer run around.
00:58:15
Speaker 9: Well there’s only two so far.
00:58:17
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:58:17
Speaker 8: No, every time I talk about this, I have a hard time believing it actually happened.
00:58:22
Speaker 9: But sure enough it did so back in twenty twenty four.
00:58:28
Speaker 8: So two years ago, the Oklahoma state legislature passed a bill I mean, speaking of like bad votes. This bill was passed almost unanimously in both the House and the Senate, and it established what was called the Chronic Wasting Disease Genetic Improvement Act. And the idea here is that we’re going to breed whitetail deer to be resistant to c WD. So there’s a biologist from Texas A and M named Chris Seabury or sea Berry who basically discovered that if if and I forget the exact like allele at whatever codon, but if deer have this, they’re resistant to CWD.
00:59:13
Speaker 9: Now, they’re not immune, so they can.
00:59:16
Speaker 8: Still get called them durable, durable, right, so they can still get it. And that’s that’s a really key thing.
00:59:21
Speaker 9: To understand here. They’re not immune from CWD, but they’re more durable.
00:59:25
Speaker 1: That’s the fashionable word lately is durable.
00:59:27
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, so so, and what kind of advocates of this point too oftentimes is scrapey in sheep, which is also a preon disease, and it was eliminated through this kind of genetic breeding program.
00:59:43
Speaker 1: Right.
00:59:44
Speaker 9: Obviously, you’re really.
00:59:45
Speaker 8: Not comparing apples to apples in that situation because sheep are are livestock, right, they’re in pens there, it’s a very controlled environment. The proposal here is to breed these deer to be genetically durable to CWD, and then we’re going to rely lease them into the wild to improve the genetics of the wild herd, which kind of sounds like it might work, but it’s never been tried anywhere. The other really crucial thing is that you can’t the deer aren’t tested for CWD before they’re released. We don’t know if these deer have the disease before they’re release, and I’ve I’ve confirmed this with the head, the head vet the head veterinarians.
01:00:28
Speaker 1: Oh, that’s true. Yeah, they don’t know.
01:00:29
Speaker 8: For Oklahoma, they don’t know. They don’t know, they weren’t tested and so and I’m I’m not one hundred percent sure what it’s like in Oklahoma. I can tell you in Texas the deer breeders are like where seed like, if they’re CWD in Texas, it’s probably in those breeding facilities, so it’s there. But these deer that are released, we don’t know if they have it. And so they passed this bill in twenty twenty four, and I think, like people weren’t. I mean, maybe it’s just me, but I was like, again, they’re not going to actually.
01:01:02
Speaker 1: Do this right.
01:01:04
Speaker 8: And the bill itself was it’s very hard to understand the bill as it was written because it allowed the Department of Agriculture in Oklahoma to write the rules basically the standard that they.
01:01:18
Speaker 9: Would use to release the deer.
01:01:20
Speaker 8: But then it also had another line in there that said the Department of Wildlife Conservation, so the people kind of supposed to be in charge of wildlife in the state, they have a some kind of permitting authority. It said they can charge a one time permit fee. It didn’t say they could create rules, but if you’re charging a permit fee, then it’s kind of implied you have the authority to create the rules by which you get that permit.
01:01:46
Speaker 9: But it was all very unclear. Thaust forward two years.
01:01:50
Speaker 8: In the original bill, it said the deer would be released between February and April of this year. The Wildlife Agency hadn’t crafted any kind of permitting requirements or any kind of rules. They had started a survey to survey the genetics of the wild population. They hadn’t completed that yet. But then we kind of got news about a month ago that one of these deer had actually been released. The agg Department approved the release of one of these deer. So this is again a pen raise. Deer that hasn’t been tested for CWD is now being released onto a low fence property where it can go kind of wherever it wants to.
01:02:34
Speaker 1: Go, and the public does not know where.
01:02:37
Speaker 8: I got a county. I can tell you it’s wagon or county. I think that’s how you say it was one of the deer. I don’t know where the second deer was released. And like from the breeder’s perspective, this is great because now our potential pool of customers is everyone, right, any landowner in the state. It used to be you could only sell a deer to a high fence operation, which you know there are lots of those in Oklahoma, not that many. Now any landowner can buy a deer. Why you would want to, It’s sort of beyond me.
01:03:08
Speaker 1: Because you can buy like you could buy one of their their crazy big bucks, right, but one of their phony big bucks and then cut it loose on your place and act like you’re doing it to help c WD. Well, yeah, there’s seven hundred and fifty thousand deer in Oklahoma, right, these two deer, Like, you know, I’ll be the first two men. I’m no mathematician. Well I’m a statistician. But they’ve cut two of these deer loose into a state was seven hundred and fifty thousand deer, and they’re like, this will help genetically with CWD. It’s like, are you kidding?
01:03:40
Speaker 6: We were taught.
01:03:40
Speaker 5: We talked to Heffelfinger about this a while back, and he made that point like you’re never gonna like spread that gene effectively spread that gene through the entire population. But he also said, you don’t know what else that gene could be responsible for, Like, it could have all kinds of negative effects too.
01:03:58
Speaker 8: So they the wild Commission held a hearing on this where they invited some scientists to present. One of them had put a model together of like how many deer would we actually have to release in order to improve the genetics of the state. It was like seventy five thousand per year for ten years straight, basically just replacing the entire population.
01:04:21
Speaker 9: And even then the.
01:04:24
Speaker 8: Genetic benefits you get start to degrade after you stop releasing more deer. And this was also you know, according to the scientists, in their model, they assume kind of best case scenario, which is that captive deer will survive and breed at the same rate as wild deer, which I mean is kind of a big assumption, right.
01:04:46
Speaker 1: One of the craziest parts of this go on. Yeah, I’ll tell you the crazy I’ll tell you what I feel is crazy. Yeah.
01:04:51
Speaker 8: So there’s kind of a one more chapter to this is that the kind of sponsors of this program in the legislature were very frustrated with the Wildlife Agency for not moving forward with the survey, were kind of dragging their heels right, according to the sponsor. So this year they proposed a new bill that would totally eliminate the Wildlife Agency from this process, like there were they would have no permitting role, they would they wouldn’t be able to charge a permitting fee, just totally remove them from the process entirely. So so these deer, which you know, wildlife in the state, would be controlled by the Department of Agriculture that bill. So so two years ago the bill sailed through. This bill just failed in a Senate committee. It passed the House, went over to the Senate. It failed in in a Senate committee on a nine to three vote. And I was told that the kind of the the public interest you might say in the program two years ago had then trickled to now and senators now are a little more hesitant to sign off on this. And so it’s possible that there’s appetite to kind of get rid of the program entirely next year in a bill because you.
01:06:16
Speaker 1: Can’t find you can’t find a wildlife org deer breeders. You can’t find a wildlife org that thinks it’s a good idea. Now, I love that. Boone and Crockett and Pope and young are saying, Oklahoma, dear, there’s a possibility of Oklahoma deer becoming ineligible for the books because they’re genetically modified.
01:06:33
Speaker 8: Yep, yep, and they could expand like like I live in Texas neighbors Oklahoma that if they like cross the border into Texas now Texas deer or not. Right, So it’s no one seems to really like this except for the deer breeders and their allies.
01:06:50
Speaker 1: In the life. Well, one of the main okay, one of the main I wanna choose my words carefully here, one of the primary, key, main, primary, most important key individuals involved and this genetic this supposed genetic durability issue. Prior to that, work had been on the war path against Texas’s state agency about CWD because he felt that he felt that they were imperiling his land values by talking about CWD all the time. Okay, then lo and behold down the road. The other interesting thing is this is the biggest proponents from this When I look around and get messages from friends and stuff, the biggest proponents of this are the same people that have always said it’s a hoax. Cwd’s a hoax, right, then, why do we need a solution. You’re like, it’s a hoax, but here’s a solution. It’s a hoax, but this will fix it. Right, It’s like, Almett, is it a hoax? Or does this fixes or is this self serving?
01:08:04
Speaker 3: Well, if you got to release seventy five thousand deery annually, someone’s going to make some money. Wow.
01:08:11
Speaker 1: But it’s so funny, like it’s like one minute it’s a hoax and it doesn’t have any impact, and the next minute the industry’s like, but wait a minute, it is a problem. And guess who’s the solution can solve It’s me right right right? All these years you’ve blamed me, and now here I am with the fix.
01:08:29
Speaker 9: Right right.
01:08:30
Speaker 8: But a but you can you can kind of you can kind of see why if you’re not really paying attention to this issue, you’re not in this in the weeds on this you’re like, yeah, we breed, we like we we breed for certain traits and animals, right, why wouldn’t this work? And so you can kind of see why this program the state legislators were like, Okay, yeah, we’ll give it a shot, might as well, but now it sounds like they’ve been and you know, organizations, the sportsman conservation organizations have been doing a lot of work in that legislature to educate the representatives there, and it seems to be kind of taking hold.
01:09:08
Speaker 1: I’m going to paraphrase something from the Conservation is Jim Poswitz. Jimpos He made this point. I think he might have been on the show when he made this point, or I was interviewing him or something. Either way, the late Jim Poswitz was saying, he’s talking about the deer breeders, So I doe them trying to make giant megabucks and all this stuff. The reason they’re doing that is because there is there’s a societal belief in the symbolism of wildlife. Right, we have placed cultural value on deer, We’ve placed cultural value on the landscape, on nature’s ability to make this creature. Right, when one gets big, it’s celebrated. But it’s like a cultural value around wild places and wildlife and nature. And they and they kind of they’ve kind of looked at this and they’re like, oh, got it, big antlers, you.
01:10:12
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
01:10:12
Speaker 1: They’re like they kind of missed the parts about wildlife. Yeah, they missed the parts about mystery magic yeah, like like the magic of a landscape producing these magnificent specimens. And they’re like, oh yeah, big old antlers. I could probably do that better in my yard. But what makes those big old antlers valuable is the fact that they have cultural significance as wildlife. Meaning if they went and found a way to make cows huge, Okay, if they’re like this cow’s way bigger, people aren’t going to say like, oh, at that point, I would like to pay you twenty thousand dollars to shoot one of those cows. It would be well, no, because that’s livestock. I’m not gonna pay you to shoot that. Yeah. But they’re like, no, but this has the appearance of this thing that has cultural value. I will sell it to you because it’s got big antlers. And is that what’s really all about?
01:11:15
Speaker 2: Right right?
01:11:17
Speaker 3: Right?
01:11:17
Speaker 1: Well?
01:11:17
Speaker 8: Well, and that and that kind of takes me back to these to the market for this, right, because there’s there’s two sides. There’s people who want to sell them, but then they need a market and and I just I still don’t understand. Maybe if you have a giant spread thousands of acres, you might be interested in this, But if you have like two hundred acres of low fence property, Like, why would you want to buy what it’s gonna leave?
01:11:43
Speaker 1: People will do it. It’s it’s it’s gonna be the next smart about statistics. I don’t know why do they buy? Why does my wife buy scratch offs at the gas station? She’s an addict because she just has an undying faith in magic out and no amount of like, no amount of logic is gonna dissuade her from buying scratch offs with the kids.
01:12:09
Speaker 3: Well, maybe she does it for the entertainment value.
01:12:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that people will be entertained by, like they’ll buy some deer and turn. I don’t know, Becau’s just like nature isn’t gonna be good enough.
01:12:21
Speaker 6: You know who won’t buy. I’m a cw D deniers because they don’t give a shit anyway.
01:12:25
Speaker 1: No they will.
01:12:25
Speaker 4: Because when I heard about this, like first I was like, oh, that’s that’s not a good idea. But then shortly after that, I had a tingle of satisfaction that someone felt like they were portraying or like pursuing a creative solution. CWD feels like a thing that we’re probably gonna have to take a big swing at it, and like every tool in the toolbox needs to be explored. Nothing’s working right, And like I am satisfied to hear that someone is like, well, maybe this thing on a left field is the answer, and that other people did look into it and threw cold water on it, you know, at some point. But I’m happy that, like, there are things behind the scenes that are, you know, beyond my awareness taking place trying to solve CWD.
01:13:09
Speaker 1: Agree. I totally agree. It’s like it’s again. I’ve made myself a thousand times on this show. I’ve made myself clear that, like, much to the annoyance of certain friends of mine, the main thing I remain worried about. The main thing is that, and it’s never happened. But what scares me is the idea that there would be transmission to a human being. That scares me. Yeah, right, that this has nothing to do with that. This is not addressing that. The other part is you have like I can’t help but look at where it’s coming from. Yes, it’s coming from the community that has told us all along there is no problem. So why are you all of a sudden interested in a solution. It’s gotta be that there’s more to the story. You have cried from every rooftop. It’s a hoax. There’s no problem, but now you want to fix it. I don’t buy it. Something else is going on.
01:14:17
Speaker 2: That’s a good way to end it, the whole thing.
01:14:21
Speaker 6: Yeah, let’s go down, Steve.
01:14:24
Speaker 3: You were in Wisconsin two weekends ago for the youth turkey hunt. Weren’t you.
01:14:29
Speaker 1: I was there two weeks ago for the youth turkey hunt. Let me tell you why. I go there Because I love my friend Doug. Also, I would go there early on because Wisconsin doesn’t have an age restriction. I have three kids are spread out, so I could go there and mentor my for instance, my eight year old daughter turkey hunting, where she would be literally sitting in my lap as we turkey hunted, and then Doug could hunt with one of my other kids, or we would team up, and it became a family tradition. I think we went eight years. We’ve been there eight years in a row for youth turkey season. It’s a family tradition. My kids have come to love Doug like a like a like an uncle, like a brother.
01:15:11
Speaker 4: I thought you’d say, like a landowner.
01:15:13
Speaker 1: No, that’s not a concept before.
01:15:17
Speaker 3: We moved on.
01:15:18
Speaker 5: It was something your kids kind of as far as hunting turkeys, it was something they kind of graduated into.
01:15:24
Speaker 1: Yes, they all spent time, They all spent time. They all had to spend time just going and hanging out before I yeah said it was time, and I have generally said it was time to like lap, sit on my lap and turkey hunt when they’re eight. That’s my not I don’t want to call it arbitrary. That’s a number I’ve arrived where you felt comfortable. That’s a number I’ve arrived at.
01:15:51
Speaker 3: Well, that sets up this story here. Pat Dirkin wrote about it the meteor dot Com. Uh that same weekend Steve was there, there was an accident in Wisconsin where a ment a thirty five year old, sorry, thirty five, thirty eight. I already already lost my numbers for him, thirty eight an adult, thirty.
01:16:15
Speaker 2: Something, thirty four, Well, thirty four, thirty four, thirty four.
01:16:18
Speaker 3: I think I think it’s important to know his age. Thirty four year old was hunting with a three year old mentoring a three year old that week, and they supposedly aimed and shot a forty five year old that was mentoring a nine year old with.
01:16:38
Speaker 2: A twelve gage a seven year old seven year old.
01:16:42
Speaker 1: Thanks, it’s important to point out. Yeah, they had two a mentor and the kid. A mentor and a kid nine year old. I think we’re just getting little ung up on the details here. Yeah, the three year old matters.
01:16:55
Speaker 9: The three a three year old, that matters.
01:16:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, that matters big time. And the twelve gage.
01:17:00
Speaker 1: Shotgun shooting a twelve gage three years old shooting a twelve gauge for mentored youth turkey season. Okay, let’s yeah the facts. Yeah, hit the facts.
01:17:12
Speaker 3: Youth turkey hunting weekend in Wisconsin. The three year old is with a thirty four year old. They shoot two other hunters that are out in the field together with a twelve gage shotgun at thirty five yards. At thirty five yards. Luckily no one is fatally hurt. I think as if the writing of the article, the seven year old kid was still in the hospital, but his mentor was had been released. Actually, they’re not releasing genders, so we don’t know any genders of these hunters, but the people that had been shot, the mentor had been released. The kid was still in the hospital, but non fatal injuries. So that’s really all we know. They’re not releasing the lock. So obviously they’re going to continue to investigate this situation because, as you might imagine, there’s a lot of questions. I have a lot of questions. My first thing when I read it I was assigning this little book report here, was like, my god, how are you really going to make a three year old hold in aim and fire twelve gates?
01:18:24
Speaker 1: That’s why I smell fish?
01:18:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, I smell it. I read that. I read the comments.
01:18:30
Speaker 1: Oh that’s the only thing I consider.
01:18:32
Speaker 6: I read the.
01:18:33
Speaker 3: Comments on the on our web page, and do people smell fish? Oh? Yeah, seventy five percent of them are like that three year old didn’t pull that trigger. The mentor was just out with a three year old and was like, oh, this is a way for me to get another bird.
01:18:50
Speaker 1: I’m not buying it. This is like a level up of watching. You’re not buying it. That three year old was wheeling the twelve gates.
01:18:55
Speaker 9: Now three yearld was probably shitting its pan.
01:18:57
Speaker 6: Do they wipe it taking well, I don’t know.
01:19:03
Speaker 3: I mean they.
01:19:05
Speaker 1: Don’t like get up fixed breakfast.
01:19:09
Speaker 3: They rarely have complete sentences. Yeah, we should have brought a three year old in Hey. Hey, Just so you know, I tried to get one. I posted this morning Craigs on the on the on the company slack under the Bozeman channel. I asked, does anyone have a three year old kid that could bring to the office to be part of the new show episode of Round two thirty it’s now the team. They’d have to be on camera, but wouldn’t be required to do much talking and saying Hi. I’d like to have them to show the audience the size and stature of a three year old, to show co.
01:19:44
Speaker 1: A handle of three year olds.
01:19:47
Speaker 2: This has been helpful for me because when I read the age of a child, it doesn’t do much.
01:19:52
Speaker 3: I mean, they came out of them Giana three years prior. They’re just not that big yet.
01:20:00
Speaker 2: No, I know, but I just I can’t really call to mind. A three year old was helpful. A three year old helpful?
01:20:06
Speaker 1: A three year old would, let me give you for instance, a three year old would walk into a lake and ship your pants. Yes, you wouldn’t even think you wouldn’t even like think much about it.
01:20:20
Speaker 6: The recoil of a twelve gage shot and would do great bodily.
01:20:23
Speaker 3: Harm to a three year old.
01:20:24
Speaker 8: Yeah, it would, Jordan said, only some three year olds like their butt. I want to amend that only some three year olds sit like aren’t in diapers, none of them.
01:20:38
Speaker 1: Scatological. If you have a three year old in your life, you are having not daily, but you are having multiple times per week encounters with their feces.
01:20:53
Speaker 4: Get none of your context.
01:20:55
Speaker 1: It’s like, that’s what we’re talking about. Like you get to where you’d basically you’re so used to it you would eat it. According to CDC, Dad, am I wrong?
01:21:06
Speaker 6: I wouldn’t eat it, but I had it under my fingernails plenty of tabs.
01:21:09
Speaker 3: According to the CDC, a typical three year old boy in the United States of America weighs thirty one to thirty three pounds.
01:21:18
Speaker 2: It’s like a big turkey, old giant.
01:21:22
Speaker 6: Okay, we’ve established that.
01:21:24
Speaker 3: It’s like a very very, very small things. I was telling the story to my daughter, Aina, who I think she was probably ten ish when this happened, but she was still scared. She’d been shooting at twenty two a bunch, but she knew the four ten had some recoil. And one day I was like, look, she’d shot at once, some tears had come. I’m like, no big deals, we’ll come back in a couple months. So time passes, we’re back there, and I said, this time, sit in my lap. Well, I made the mistake of like leaning against.
01:21:59
Speaker 1: Her back lid ifi her shoulder.
01:22:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so her shoulder wasn’t allowed to move back. And again just a little four ten and we were just shooting a field load, not a turkey load. But that was enough to like more tears and to like put that away for another six months. So again, like you can’t imagine what a twelve gage turkey load would do to a three year old.
01:22:23
Speaker 1: Here’s another way of putting it. This hunt, this whole incident. They’re so young, they will have no recollection. Ever, when you think back to your first memories, your first memories are like four or five, six, they will have no recollection. I’m all for this dude bringing that child out. Yeah, but I think after this incident, you would have to just say, for the record, here I was, I was wielding that shotgum should this is not a conversation about mentor and I was just this should be a conversation about right here at me and he was shooting at movement.
01:23:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, there’s a detail that I found this person did not have hunter safety. They had like a military exemption exemption, yeah, which, you know, sure it’s something to think about.
01:23:22
Speaker 1: But now there’s all this conversation should we change, like will Wisconsin changed the law? Is it too early to go? And I’m like, don’t confuse this for a mentor hunt situation. Yeah, it’s not a mentor hunt situation. That kid did not identify that target and aim that gun and pull that trick.
01:23:39
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:23:39
Speaker 5: I think one of the best things that’s happened in the last whatever decade, maybe twenty years, however long it’s been going on, is that a lot of states have gotten past this minimum age thing twelve fourteen.
01:23:54
Speaker 1: But I do see pictures of likes, you know, I see pictures of some ages and I’m like, man, I don’t think they can even comprehending.
01:24:01
Speaker 6: Six year old shooting a two hundred inch white.
01:24:03
Speaker 1: Tail, Like, I don’t know that they comprehend what they’re doing. I even had questions, and now I don’t. I would never tell people what do like. It’s like, I support the idea that it’s a family decision. I started my kids hunting turkeys at eight years old. And I did not think I waited too long. I worried that I did it too early. I never felt that I waited too long at eight. Yep. I think that’s a good never felt that I waited too long.
01:24:26
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:24:26
Speaker 5: That And the way it works here in Montana is they can hunt deer at ten and I think that’s just about right.
01:24:32
Speaker 1: Yep. I’ve never I would never complain about the ten year old law here. When I was growing up in Michigan to hunt deer with a gun. When I was a kid, no one paid attention to this rule. Everybody broke it because it was so ridiculous. You had to be fourteen.
01:24:44
Speaker 6: Yeah, I paid it.
01:24:45
Speaker 1: That’s too late. That’s too late.
01:24:48
Speaker 3: Yep.
01:24:48
Speaker 1: Three too early?
01:24:53
Speaker 6: All right, paddlefish time.
01:24:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, we’re gonna cut some stuff off the end.
01:24:57
Speaker 6: Yeah, I’ll try.
01:24:58
Speaker 1: No, no man hit the paddle fish said, I want to hear you know, Spencer, Spencer.
01:25:07
Speaker 5: There’s been some sick puppies doing some sick ship on the Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri. Multiple live paddlefish have been discovered with you got the pictures.
01:25:20
Speaker 6: Up, Phil? Are we getting there? Multiples, multiple profane messages. I’ll let you read them if you can make them out.
01:25:30
Speaker 10: This is these are the pictures that I was sent. This is how they were cropped. You can kind of see what that one says.
01:25:35
Speaker 5: So f you f m d C, which is Missouri Department of Conservation Conservation. I saw a picture of one that had paddlefish have this long snout called a rostrum. I saw one that had been cut to kind of look like those soft what do they call them?
01:25:58
Speaker 6: Really like disgusting. I don’t know if we’ve got.
01:26:01
Speaker 3: That picture now.
01:26:02
Speaker 1: Just here’s someone at twenty twenty one into a paddlefish. Uh, they’re cutting it in with a razor blade.
01:26:08
Speaker 4: Yes.
01:26:08
Speaker 6: Yeah, some of them are found alive but mutilated.
01:26:14
Speaker 5: It’s just like very sick examples of like animal cruelty. The local reaction, the regional reaction around Lake of the Ozarks has obviously been pretty strong, with shock and outrage. Local tackle shop manager said he’d never seen anything like this. There’s concerns that it could hurt tourism in the area. The investigation they they haven’t found out anything yet, but they’re they’re they’re looking at this as intentional acts of animal cruelty and vandalism against the species, possibly motivated by grievances against state conservation rules.
01:26:53
Speaker 1: Well, if you’re writing yeah, f you Missouri Department Conservation, I have a feeling that that’s not possibly motivated by ANA. They’re mad about the regulatory structu.
01:27:03
Speaker 6: Sure and maybe something about keeping paddlefish.
01:27:07
Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, they’re mad about the regulations row.
01:27:10
Speaker 5: You know, there might be there’s been some plenty of examples of these fish being poached for their row.
01:27:15
Speaker 6: But this is not This isn’t that.
01:27:19
Speaker 5: Authorities say they’re making some progress. Public’s encouraged to report tips and uh a coalition of over a dozen fishing guide services in the area Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, they’ve all pledged to chip and rewards that that are exceeding fifteen thousand dollars right now leading to a conviction. With that kind of money, it’s if someone saw something, someone’s probably gonna going to report.
01:27:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, it’s a win win, Like if you knew who was doing this one they got to quit. Yeah, so you can help them make them quit by turning them in and then you get fifteen k and scratch.
01:27:56
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it’s gross and whenever something like this kind of thing. This is a little this is a pretty pretty strong example of it. But like I always worry, like when when a goose is like walking around a local lake with a like an arrow sticking out of it, Like it gets me worried about the perception of hunters and in this case, the perception like the general perception of fishermen. Like just a week ago, maybe they found a mule deer dough dead and round up Montana that had been shot with a blowgun.
01:28:32
Speaker 6: A blow dart killed it.
01:28:34
Speaker 5: It’s like that kind of thing. Like I think the worry is it’s like all those hunters you know kind of thing, and it shouldn’t we shouldn’t have to defend ourselves against stuff like this.
01:28:49
Speaker 1: No, it’s kind of grewesome photos man. Yeah. And the things you’re talking about like a like a very long living fish. Yeah, and then you’re also kind of like in some cases you’re mortally wounding it. It’s like, yeah, is getting all infected and dying?
01:29:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, it’s gross.
01:29:04
Speaker 4: On that note, here’s a segue. Spencer is a tattoo of a paddlefish. It’s his favorite animal that.
01:29:11
Speaker 1: How do you know? How do I know that’s a joke? Each year, there are a few consistent saying, Spencer.
01:29:23
Speaker 4: I was trying to tell you that this would be a segue for you.
01:29:26
Speaker 1: Oh, you’re offering that.
01:29:27
Speaker 4: Here’s how you on that note.
01:29:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, Spencer over there. His favorite animal is the paddlefish, and he has a paddlefish tattoos exactly by Dolly.
01:29:37
Speaker 6: Now.
01:29:38
Speaker 4: Each year, there are a few consistent meteor showers that give you your best chance at seeing shooting stars. I think the biggest one is in August. There’s also another notable one in November December. These generally occur about the same time each year as the Earth passes through an area that has a trail of dusty debris that was left by a comet or an asteroid. And that’s happening right now as we sit here. One of these happening Tonight, Spooky April twenty one is the peak of the Lyrid’s meteor shower. This meteor shower, it’s always in late April, roughly April seventeen to April twenty six, but tonight and tomorrow night April twenty second are the two best nights of the whole show. These shooting stars are best viewed from the northern hemisphere after moonset and before dawn, so for much of the country, that means your best viewing hours are between midnight and six am. That doesn’t mean that you won’t see shooting stars at ten pm. You will, it just won’t be quite as spectacular as that. Like midnight to six am window the Lyrids meteors, they don’t tend to have a long train of light, but these are prone to creating bright flashes known as fireballs. Here’s some tips from NASA on good stargazing for this meteor shower. The first one’s obvious. Just get away from light pollution. That means leaving the city or simply turning off your porch light. Focus your eyes in the darkest part of the sky, and if the whole sky is dark and you’re able to be picky for this meteor shower, it’s best to cheat your eyes to the east rather than the west, and NASA says it takes about thirty minutes for your eyes to fully adapt to the darkness, so give yourself at least an hour to guarantee a glimpse. As I said earlier, the darker the sky, the better the show. Tonight and tomorrow night we actually have a waxing crescent moon, which means just a sliver of it is illuminated. That’s good news for stargazers as well. Humans have been observing this for as long as you know we’ve been on Earth. There are written accounts going back to six eighty seven BC, that’s twenty seven hundred years ago about the Lyrids meteor shower. One Chinese writer he said this on the fourth month of the summer of year seven, at night, the sky is so bright that some fixed stars become invisible because of the meteor shower. At midnight the stars fell like rain. So that that’s what you have a chance to experience now during the peak of the Lyrids, which is again tonight tomorrow night, April twenty one, April twenty two, you can expect to see about a dozen shooting stars at its peak. But some years it’s better than others the Lyrids. When it’s really good, that’s called what is it, a meteor outburst. So in nineteen twenty two. In nineteen eighty two, the Lyrids produced ninety meteors per hour, and in eighteen oh three observers saw seven hundred per hour, which is one shooting star every five seconds. Wow, So a dozen’t is what you’d expect for a baseline these next couple nights, But it has a chance to be even more grand than that. Although its peak is right now as we sit here, extra shooting stars will be visible into the weekend. So as we exit the debris field on Sunday, if you’re at Turkey Camp this weekend, if you’re out fishing in the dark, keep your eyes to the sky.
01:32:43
Speaker 1: I’m gonna park my car out so people think someone’s ordered there watching, and then I’m gonna have it all myself. Man, I’m gonna be watching. No one else can watch.
01:32:53
Speaker 4: If you do happen to witness a spectacular fireball during the Lyriids, which, as I said you know earlier. As I said earlier in the media shower, it’s known for producing fireballs rather than like long streaks of light, then you should go report that to the American Media Society and if they get enough reports, it becomes a confirmed fireball. So I pulled a random one of these confirmed fireballs from last year to show you the problem how the process works. This was from March seven, twenty twenty five. This fireball was not part of the Lyrid’s media shower, as it was about six weeks before that. Phil has a picture of it here showing you how these reports are gathered. It was four forty am Mountain time. Four people witnessed a fireball that’s traveling from east to west at a downward angle. It’s since been categorized this is Event four one four twenty twenty five. So we have our first observer. This was Reagan in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, who says it’s an orange fireball. They leave a note with the American Medior Society saying so grateful to have experience this. Our next observer is James and Bismarck, North Dakota. James reports the fireball was light blue and white. He says it was very bright. At first, I thought it was a plane moving across the sky until I realized that it was heading towards the ground. Then it clicked that it was a fireball. It reminded me of the fuel streak of an incoming missile. I don’t know how James knows that, but he said it reminded him of that.
01:34:24
Speaker 3: You see him saying that which one under persistent train?
01:34:28
Speaker 1: Oh I see The.
01:34:29
Speaker 4: Third observer is brook In Towns in Montana that’s just down the road from US. Brooks says it had a smoke trail with shades of light blue, orange, and white. She simply says that it was wild.
01:34:41
Speaker 3: Now here’s a four.
01:34:43
Speaker 4: Doesn’t tell us that. And then here’s our fourth report.
01:34:46
Speaker 1: I’m looking out for guys.
01:34:48
Speaker 3: Spencer.
01:34:53
Speaker 1: I like.
01:34:55
Speaker 3: I like this guy.
01:34:57
Speaker 4: He reports the fireball lasted about three seconds, it was white. Here’s his quote. I spend a lot of time outside at night. This was the brightest media I’ve ever seen.
01:35:06
Speaker 1: Excellent report.
01:35:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I trust that person.
01:35:11
Speaker 1: Can you established his credentials?
01:35:15
Speaker 4: No? No, I was I was thinking back, what was I doing at four thirty am. I was in my hot tub. I had just got done traveling.
01:35:23
Speaker 3: I had a shoot.
01:35:24
Speaker 4: I shot a roast that week, I had two episodes of Trivia. My whole sleep schedules off. So if I like wake up super like that, I’ll just go out in the hot tub. I was out in the hot tub and I saw this fireball, and then I went and report, you woke up early?
01:35:36
Speaker 3: You weren’t.
01:35:37
Speaker 2: This wasn’t like No, I wasn’t say it was like it was.
01:35:40
Speaker 4: Like eight am up early and I reported it and I got to be part of event one for graduation. Yeah, thank you. So if you see a particularly spectacular fireball this week and or anytime you know, you should go do some citizen science and report it to the American Meteor Society.
01:35:59
Speaker 1: It’s to sign up and says report a fireball. It’s fun and easy.
01:36:03
Speaker 3: You should get a.
01:36:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, I reported a fireball.
01:36:08
Speaker 3: It was easy.
01:36:09
Speaker 4: It asked you twelve questions and some are like, oh what is the answer to that? You like really have to So when you see one of these things, uh, you know, put yourself in that place like where did it start, where did it end? What color was it? Roughly how much time did it take for it to cross the sky. That way, you can give a MS A good report.
01:36:26
Speaker 1: Excellent job, man, it was a great report. Here’s the thing I’m thinking about. If I tell my kids about this, they’re gonna want to stay up or get up, And if they get up, then they’re gonna be all cranky tomorrow. So it’s like, do you go with as a parent, do you go with like enhancing their lives and then dealing with them when they’re when they wake up they’re talking about how tired they are. Not tell them about it.
01:36:49
Speaker 5: We have an answer to this in our house. I’m like, you can set an alarm and get up if you want, and then I just go to sleep.
01:36:58
Speaker 2: She wait till they’re older where they can truly experienced the whole they can appreciate the whole experience.
01:37:03
Speaker 1: You know, I’m probably gonna tell them about it, But what happens, their mom will get them up because she’s better about stuff like that.
01:37:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, the gambler.
01:37:11
Speaker 1: All right, buddy, Thanks for joining the news show next week, Steve on Colorado. I’m telling you.
01:37:17
Speaker 3: What we promise it’ll come.
01:37:19
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:37:19
Speaker 1: And I’ve been bumping and I’ve been bumping. Uh, the report on the Monte Verde archaeological side.
01:37:27
Speaker 6: We might end up with that episode that’s just bump.
01:37:31
Speaker 10: Steve’s talking directly into the camera.
01:37:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the stuff that keeps getting bumped. Because my stuff sways at the end, there’s no time to get to it. Thanks for joining the news show. Hot sending hot news tips. If you get them, we’ll cover them. Take care,
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