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Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Theater Radio Live. It’s eleven am Mountain Time. That’s noon o’clock for our friends in Mitchell, South Dakota. Happy opening week of Pheasant season to everyone there. On Thursday, October twenty third, and we’re live for Meet Theater HQ and Bozeman. I’m your host, Spencer, joined today by Randall and Corey. On today’s show, we’ll interview Josh Humbert, a pearl farmer in one of the world’s most remote places. Then we have a white Tail Rot report from Mark Kenyon, followed by some top three lists, and finally we’ll interview Michael Burton about using dating apps to find phishing spots. But first we want to remind you that the Blood Trails podcast drops on October thirtieth on its own feed that’s simply called Blood Trails. This is a new investigative podcast for Meat Eater, hosted by journalists Jordan Sillers. Each episode digs into true crime stories from the world of hunting and fishing, cases where the woods and the water became the backdrop for violence and mystery from missing hunters deep in public land, to poachers turned killers, and fishing trips gone fatally wrong. Blood Trails uncovers the moments when outdoor life collides with homicide. Each story features original reporting, expert insight from detectives, and first hand accounts from the people who were actually there. The trailer is out right now. You can go watch it on the Meat Eater podcast YouTube channel and again the first episode drops October thirtieth on the Blood Trails podcast feed. Very excited for that show. Also, Randall has a plug for you now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I’d like to direct everyone’s attention to the Is it on the main channel.
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Speaker 4: It’s as live as we are.
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Speaker 3: On the main Meat Eater YouTube channel, there’s a new video called the Great Buffalo Bred Experiment. And this is sort of a high concept. It’s high concept. Weed was involved, No, no, just just it’s elevated content. It’s for a sophisticated, discerning viewership. Essentially, when we were researching both the Mountain Men audiobook and the Hide Hunters audiobook now available for purchase shameless plug, we kept running into descriptions, and you run into descriptions of this substance in any sort of writing about the great Planes in the early nineteenth century a substance called DePuy or how you spell that dee p u I l l e s, And you get these very vivid descriptions of it, and essentially it’s the cap of fat from a buffalo shoulder, and they prepare it by frying it and then smoking it for a day, and they repeatedly say that it’s a substitute for bread. So you’re eating some meat, you eat this as your bread. And in fact, we have one account where he says it’s superior to any bread that’s ever been made. So Steve and I made this and subjected some folks in the office to a blind taste test to decide once and for all whether this is in fact superior to any bread that’s ever been made. So this video on the YouTube channel now is called the Great Buffalo Bread Experiment. And we found we got a buffalo from our friends at Northbridge or Bison, and we cut off the requisite chunks of fat and we followed the instructions to a tee and you can see the results of that on YouTube now.
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Speaker 5: So back in the day, they smoked these caps of fat in a Dynama teepee.
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Speaker 3: They used a a tpe an actual buffalo of skin buffalo hide t pee.
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Speaker 5: I wondering if if there is a subtle hint to smoke nylon or not.
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Speaker 3: No, No, I don’t think that was the problem.
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Speaker 2: Not to give too elevated content, only cool interesting piece.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean experimental, experimental culinary scene.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Caleb’s asking Randall, if you have any wine and cheese recommendation to pair with this elevated content.
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Speaker 3: Maybe some depuya, I would say a tall boy of Mickey’s Mickey’s Malt liquor, Yes, and some string cheese. That’s what I got. Cheese cheese whiz, Actually, cheers whiz. I used quite a bit of that. Try to get my dogs to take a shower with me the other day.
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Speaker 2: We don’t need any more.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: On that, well, we’ll.
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Speaker 3: Get some of that in our next segment here. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So that video is live on YouTube right now and Blood Trails will be available next week. Alright, fellas we’ve been in the field lately, let’s do some hunt recaps. This would make Yanni real happy. Random what you’ve been up to.
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Speaker 3: Well, last weekend, my wife Sydney and I went antelope hunting out in eastern Montana. We did not have any antelope tags last year, so we were excited to get out there because it is our favorite wild game to eat, and so I feel like that’s a hot take. I feel like the more people you talk to, I feel like it’s more common than you’d think. Okay, just a just an antelope steak, super rare. I love it. But Sydney shot this buck. We had a slow day the first day it was super cold and windy and didn’t see a lot of antelope on public land, and then we pulled into a spot the next morning. Sydney glassed this buck from the truck and I ranged it with my range finder and with the sig buyos and you can drop a pin on where you range. So we dropped a pin on him about thirteen hundred yards out and then hopped into this draw and kind of circled all the way around and got up on the little knob that he was on and couldn’t see him, and they had all bedded down, So we crawled around on our hands and knees for probably half an hour within two hundred yards of these antelopes. Finally she spotted him, just his horns behind the sage brush, and I was like, I had to tell I had to ask her, like pointed out to me, pointed out to me because I couldn’t see him, and then eventually I got him. We crawled around until we sort of had an angle and then waited for them to stand up, and she ended up shooting that antelope at like one hundred yards, which is super cool. And that was she basically did everything on that hunt, like she spotted the animal, she once we got in on it, she found him again, she turned him up, and then I was like, do you want me to try to get him to stand up? You know, I’ll clap my hands or something, and she’s like, no, we’ll wait, We’ll wait, and then she stood up. So other than sort of the navigating on ONEX, she did everything, which is really cool. Hell yeah, and yeah, that’s the dogs. The dogs were waiting in the truck and onto the next photo, and then I shot this one. Later that day, we spotted a buck real far away that looked like a dandy and then dropped into a little draw and we ended up having to cross this muddy creek a couple times, and eventually I said we’re a mile and a half away. Let’s just get up on the flat and book it and then drop back into the draw so we don’t have to cross this creek again. And as we got up onto the flat, there’s kind of a little roll in this guy and some doze were bedded there, and I figured a bird in hand is whatever the saying is, So I shut this one. Yeah, And we were close enough to the car that next slide phill Sidney went and got the dogs while I began the processing work. And you can see there on Rosie, my most surprized hound, she’s got a little bit of antelope blood on her back because she likes to roll in things. And so that gets me to the cheese whiz that I was describing earlier in this episode. The dogs all needed a pretty serious bath afterwards.
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Speaker 2: And uh and so you’re about to see a picture of you in the shower.
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Speaker 3: Nope, nope, nope, but you will see on the next slide we this is That was our dinner when we got back is beautiful. Two backstraps from one of the antelope cal and Sam came over and we uh just pan fried him and we made a sauce called Cumberland sauce, which is like a classic mill It’s like a classic steak sauce. It’s sort of a cranberry it’s almost like cranberry sauce, but it’s like a drizzle glaze type thing. And it was quite tasty. So yeah, it was a great start to the fall season and getting ready for.
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Speaker 2: Some more here a good couple days of analopin. Fantastic classic goat en counters.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Oh, and then the highlight probably was we were driving down a two track and bumped a little covey of sage grouse. So they’re probably about ten birds that looked like, you know, kickballs with feathers.
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Speaker 2: And you still got that trivia question wrong yesterday? Or were they not greater sage grouse?
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Speaker 3: No, they were. They were greater sage grouse.
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Speaker 2: I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in person.
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Speaker 3: Oh they’re unbelievad They’re so big. Yeah, and they just bumped up and went about forty yards away and put down again. And then we sat there and took a bunch of video of them and super cool. I’ve seen a couple of them just you know, deer and antelope punting.
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Speaker 2: I don’t think we got a conclusion to the cheese whiz thing.
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Speaker 3: Well, it worked at first, but then they all got they all got really mad when the water turned on.
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Speaker 2: What happened? You put cheese whiz like on the shower door or what?
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Speaker 3: Yes, so we have like a walk in shower with the glass door, and so I put a bunch of cheese whiz on the floor and then pushed them towards it, and they all attacked the cheese whiz and then I turned the water. I shut the door, turned the water on. But then cheese was isn’t really soluble in water again, so there was actually quite a bit of grout cleaning that was required afterwards. I don’t recommend it. I’m working on a new solution, but we don’t bave our dogs regularly, so I don’t have that PROGRAMM. Try whipped cream. That’s a new one. It’s easy to go one. Yeah right, that’s what.
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Speaker 2: I got in a up country That up to you, man.
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Speaker 5: I’ve had a very exciting fall, but exciting yet unsuccessful so far. Been chasing Elk all September and a little bit into October. A lot of close encounters, trying to get a few buddies into Elk but haven’t flung an arrow and archery seasons coming gone rifle O Big Game General Rifle opens this Saturday, so I’m excited.
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Speaker 2: Days from now, give her hell with a rifle. You’re gonna be out there.
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, okay, yep, got a few trips planned. Hopefully I don’t need to even go back out later in the season. I just have a deer and an elk tag in my pocket. So I haven’t drawn anne open a few years.
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Speaker 3: That’s because you’re not putting in for the right units.
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Speaker 2: What are the odds to kill kill an elk this weekend?
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Speaker 3: This week? This weekend?
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Speaker 5: Pretty low because everybody, but it’s more like four percent. Yeah, but as the season drags on and it gets colder and snow ear ask me in a couple of weeks, have.
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Speaker 2: You ever killed one on a rifle opener? Yes?
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Speaker 5: Okay, fact my very first elk when I was thirty. Nice, just in the right place at the right time, caught him. He was running away from other people.
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Speaker 3: That is the advantage of opener. They’re where they were for opening morning, they’re where they were the past week, and then they’re just all over the place running somewhere else.
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Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 2: Last week I was in Idaho for a bit. I had a deer tag there for their opener. I had red reports going into the hunt that the unit I was going to be in had EHD reports. I’d seen things on Facebook about that part of the state having EHD. But it’s like at that point you have the tag, there’s no like refunding the tag and IO like some other states have when when this sort of thing happened. So I was committed him going, and I went, and it was worse than I could have possibly imagined. Last year I had the same hunt and I saw I think more deer on that hunt than my other, like four hunts combined. It was just like that plentiful with white tails. This year on opening day I saw zero live deer and found five dead ones. We’ve got a picture of one of them here, including two bucks that would have been no doubt shooters. This buck, he almost made it. He got out of velvet, meaning he survived into September. The season opened in October there, but he died of EHD at some point in that month prior and then I found it. You know, a couple dos. This is like a textbook scene of EHD when a deer has EHD, they only make it. I think it’s like one or two days. In those final hours, they have a very high fever where they are just boiling from the inside, so they seek out water, you know, hoping to feel better. And so you’ll find deer that just die near water or in water. He were two does about ten yards apart that had died in a pond, and then I found another buck that would have been a shooter as well. This guy did not make it out of velvet though, so he died probably sometime in August. Because his antlers were fully formed. He didn’t have like the hot dog points that those deer will have in you know, June and July, so he seemed to almost make it as well. But it was just a real bummer. I did have a consolation prize turkey you can kill a hen there in the fall, and I have zero turkey in the freezer and was not going to pass up a hen, so I shotgun to that thing not too far from camp. And then when I got home, I also had an analope tag in eastern Montana. Drove out there and killed a buck and so he is in my freezer as well. That is just what I’ve been referring to as a copy and paste antelope. That’s the kind of buck that’s just like copy and pasted all over the prairie in analope country. He looks like every antalope.
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Speaker 3: I called that an antelope that looks like an analope.
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Speaker 2: Yes, which is I think the three of us could bring all of our analyopes skulls in here and mix them up and try to, you know, find out who’s is who’s and we’d we’d be as successful as we would be blind, is my guess, because that’s just like, that’s what an antelope buck looks like.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Still fun to hunt though, and especially coming out of my Idaho hunt where I saw zero deer on opening day. When you have an analope tag, you’re like just guaranteed to see analog It’s so refreshing. They’re like, you know you’re going to see your target.
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Speaker 3: It’s a fun hunt, and you can hunt all day. You’re not like waking up at the crack of dawn. So what a bummer in Idaho?
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Speaker 6: Though, I hear.
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Speaker 2: There’s a bummer. So there’s like a few silver linings they quickly recover. It’s not like CWD, where once you have it, you just have it. In most cases, those herds can can bounce back in two to three years. They also develop an immunity to EHD that lasts what I’ve read is from like seven to ten years, so that that unit will be okay, the state will be fine. But I feel bad for obviously the deer, the hunters who are local to there, and then the biologists who have to deal with the deer and the hunters who are upset about the whole situation. It is just like no win.
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Speaker 5: So I believe there’s a similar situation up in north central Montana happening.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Ohio has got EHD really bad right now. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: We had an Ohio or an EHD report from Kip Adams a few weeks ago, and I think Ohio was the low light of the whole report because they are dominating the rest of the country right now as far as EHD numbers go. All right, let’s get on the show and do our first interview.
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Speaker 3: Joining us on the line first is pearl farmer Josh Humbert. He is the owner of Kamoka Pearl, which is located in one of the most remote places on Earth, Josh, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 6: Hey, guys, thank you for having me. It’s exciting to be here.
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Speaker 3: And we appreciate you waking up so early. Can you tell us where you’re speaking to us from today?
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Speaker 7: So I’m actually speaking to you from my deck in in Tihiti. We have a home in uh in the town of Chopo where the Olympics were. I was supposed to be at the farm for this, but I’ve come to Tahiti a little bit early, have some tete to do.
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Speaker 6: Uh and uh. I got bit by a shark last year.
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Speaker 7: I’m still doing some of the some of the rehab stuff, but I also had had pearls to bring and the pearls I’m working on right now. So yeah, I just kind of got got my hands full. And uh and uh and so here I am. I’m not I’m not on on the the aphol which is called a Hey and it’s it’s in the very northern, uh, the very northwest corner of the swims.
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Speaker 6: So uh. Yeah, it’s kind of the last the last apol going north.
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Speaker 3: Gotcha, And so what what is your family’s connection to this place? How did you end up in that part of the world.
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Speaker 7: So we arrived down sailboat when I was two years old. My parents built the sailboat in uh in the the backyard of the house they were renting in Torrens, California. My dad’s French, my mom’s American. And so they built this this boat out of basically like whatever they could find, you know that it was basically made of chicken wire and rebar and u and concrete and uh. They built this boat on complete shustring budget. They didn’t have any money at all. My dad actually pulled the coordinates from a wooden boat magazine.
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Speaker 6: I don’t know if anyone’s familiar, but.
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Speaker 7: It was just just numbers, you know, just numbers on a page and and uh and he, like whatever, figured it all out and and together they built this boat and and sailed away with with myself and my brother who’s three years older than me, and and two cats, two dogs, and and three hundred dollars basically wow, yeah and uh. And so we sailed down to uh to Baja, lived there for almost two years, and then from there went down to French Polynesia with the intent of going to Tihiti, but we stopped in on this this asoholist on the way, and the locals took us in and and really treat us like like family. And so we kind of put roots down there, and my dad got to the sailboat and turned it into a saline freezer basically so that so that he could take the fish that the locals would catch and uh.
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Speaker 4: Mm, should pop back in.
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Speaker 3: I say, christ for it, gotcha?
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Speaker 6: Basically, sorry, go ahead.
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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, for listeners who might not be familiar with French Polynesia, can you talk about just how remote we were, you know, like placed this on a globe relatively speaking, and how remote you’re Your atoll is from, say, Tahiti, So.
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Speaker 6: We’re about two hundred miles north of Tahiti.
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Speaker 7: And uh, yeah, there we are. Cool, Okay, cool, you pulled one of our videos.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so it’s very remote.
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Speaker 7: We’re thirty five hundred miles from uh from the west coast.
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Speaker 6: Of the US.
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Speaker 7: Actually sailed there last year with my dad and uh yeah, it took it took a month to get there. So yeah, it’s it’s it’s it’s quite a ways out there now.
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Speaker 3: So you’re you’re in the pearl farming business. Can you walk us through the basics of pearl farming. What does the process actually look like?
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Speaker 7: So basically, you you have to collect your your oyster when it’s when it’s still like at its planktonic stage.
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Speaker 6: Basically, you set out what we call.
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Speaker 7: Collectors at a certain time of year and they swim and you know they start life as as swim in large a and uh they they they seek out a good place to to ah to to colonize and they grow up there.
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Speaker 6: So once we once we do that.
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Speaker 7: The the oysters grow up basically and to a certain size that it takes about almost three years to get them to to uh, to the size of which you can do what you see here in the video, which is the the the implanting and the harvesting the first peril takes about twelve months.
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Speaker 6: To the harvest. Wow, that’s what you see there. So it’s it’s it’s quite a it’s quite a process.
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Speaker 7: It’s it’s a kind of a labor of love. It’s it’s a lot of work. It’s it’s a lot of physical, physical labor.
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Speaker 6: But yeah, we we love it.
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Speaker 3: So who are your primary buyers? Are you selling to to consumers directly or jewelers or collectors or what’s the structure of the the market there.
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Speaker 6: Well to people all around the world.
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Speaker 7: I mean, we we probably saw more in the in the US than than anywhere m M, because that’s kind of what our marketing targets. But we literally sell pearls to any country that’s safe to.
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Speaker 6: Send stuff too.
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Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean the primary market would be the US, but that’s probably because you know, we we focus a lot of our our ad spend on on on on the US market.
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Speaker 6: Uh. You know, our our.
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Speaker 7: Videos are all all in English, and and that’s definitely like the market that that we focus on most.
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Speaker 3: Gotcha, I imagine that there’s a sort of a romantic notion of pearl farming in a tropical paradise here. But what are the day to day challenges of your operation?
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Speaker 7: The probably our biggest challenge would be just keeping our oysters safe. We have to keep them safe from from fish. You can see in our in our videos, you’ll see the oysters hanging in these long baskets and basically the trigger fish. They’re kind of our our enemy number one. They’re they’re they’re really smart and I don’t know if you guys know what trigger fish are, but it’s a fish about about ten pounds or so, and it has a job that’s so powerful. I think the bite force is like three hundred PSI. So they can, Yeah, they can just rip through just by anything. And they can break an oyster, which is pretty impressive because you can take a hammer and it’s hard to break an oyster. Like they have so much integrity, like this way, Sorry, we got some.
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Speaker 2: I thought I saw a wrist rocket. What are we doing there?
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Speaker 6: What is happening?
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Speaker 7: There’s there’s roosters around, and I keep I keep some some some like shit pearls on hand.
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Speaker 3: You might be the only man in the world that’s loading his wrist rocket with pearls. This is fantastic.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, for those listening, Josh just loaded a sling shot and shot it during the interview at a rooster who was encroaching on his audio.
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Speaker 3: Good on you, Josh, so yeah, sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
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Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 7: I was just saying that there’s too many of them around and we need to do a little rooster call and have some cocal event.
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Speaker 6: I don’t know if you guys are oh, yeah, except not.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, so so as far as like protecting your oysters, are you guys doing a lot of diving and and and fishing or spearfishing. I mean, what’s the what’s that look like?
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Speaker 6: So we we do do a lot of spearfishing.
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Speaker 7: That’s basically how we feed ourselves. We you know, it’s it’s remote and and we do get stuff on a like a weekly or or every other week supply ship. But we definitely we like to eat fish. You know, we’re we’re a meat eaters, more fish than uh than than land meat. But but yeah, we fished literally every every single day. And yeah, we we we we uh we usually go spearfishing. That that’s kind of our our go to and it’s generally pretty safe. Like I said, I got I got a bit last November, which I don’t recommend.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna ask about that. Was that Was that a spear fishing encounter?
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Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, I was.
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Speaker 7: Uh, I was spearfishing the friends and uh the shark came straight up on me and grabbed my my uh my my calf and kind of like pulled me down and I got uh. So we we we put which we put two turn kits on it, but we put the turn kets right on the peronnial nerve, which I don’t know if your audience knows not, but that that’s the big nerve that services your whole or leg and it’s one of the few places where you’re not supposed to put a tournique and uh and so my my whole lower leg was offline for for about three months.
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I.
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Speaker 7: Wasn’t sure if if I’d walk again. It was it was all pretty uh, pretty scary. But I’m walking now and I’m pretty good for the most part. I’m back at about ninety percent. But but yeah, I sorted. I did not mean to get derailed. We’re talking about pearls. Yeah, so it’s just I mean, that’s a spear vision. It’s part of our life and uh and it’s it’s what we do. It’s it’s how we we we feed ourselves. But as far as the oysters, they they they need to be kept safe from the from the trigger fish, from the the the the sea turtles and and the big big leopard rays. And we do that by keeping them in in uh in baskets. And we we’ve actually had some really interesting developments with that h recently. So for for years now, we we take our our fish to to shallow water where where there’s a sorry, we take our oysters to shallow water where there’s lots of fish, and and the fish come around and clean clean all the all the stuff that grows on them, And uh, that’s really cool because that’s basically like it’s it’s a it’s a way to get the oysters clean and it’s also a way to support our local ecology. We’ve been doing that for for thirty years now, and there’s more fish, more more life in our area than than anywhere in the whole the whole appol and so that that’s been a real source of pride for us, just to see that, like our work can actually be regenerative to the the lagoon and ecology. But recently we’ve kind of taken that to another level where we we keep our oysters in zones that are relatively shallow and the.
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Speaker 6: We what we what everyone does, they close the basket so that so the figger fists can’t get in and pull the oysters out. But what what we did.
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Speaker 7: We kind of kind of took a risk on it about a year ago and we started opening the baskets and just like attaching the first the first oyster was a little bit deeper down in the basket and the thinking is that if there was a little bit deeper down, theer fists can be able to pull them out and and and it worked. And so it’s basically like cut our our labor by about.
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Speaker 6: Fifty percent, which is a lot, you know significant.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I’m sure a lot of your audience are farmers, and I’m sure they could they could really appreciate what that means. And it also increased our our productivity basically the rate at which the oysters grow by about thirty percent, which is massive. And so anyway, yeah, it’s it’s really exciting. And we basically consider all this stuff open source, like we we want other people to be doing this, like we’re you know, we we communicate on it through our channel Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, YouTube.
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Speaker 6: And the whole you know.
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Speaker 7: The best thing that we can do is share what we’re doing with other people and the hope that that other farmers do it too, because the more the more farmers do this, the more the the doing ecology will prosper. Basically, the the number one fish that that cleans our oysters are parrotfish, and and so by supporting the parrotfish, you’re actually supporting, uh, the coral as well.
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Speaker 6: What parentfish do is they they.
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Speaker 7: Go around and they graze on I mean they you know, they eat different things. But one thing that they do is they they graze on on on the the algae that grows on dead coral. So what that does is that it enables the coral to keep growing. If if the coral gets calinized by algae, it can’t it can’t, it can’t grow. So when the pearfish come by and clean it up, then the the coral prosperous. Basically by supporting the Yeah, by supporting the parfish, we’re supporting the reef, and the reef supports this whole other you know, there’s all these other downstream effects from it.
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Speaker 6: And basically like basically figured this out.
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Speaker 7: Like like I like to think in terms of permaculture, you know that the first ten of permaculture is that before you do anything, you you observe, you know, you watch, and I just I had this moment years ago when we were you know a lot of years ago. I’ve been doing this for yeah, thirty thirty some years now, but I had this moment where we were we brought a bunch of oysters in, Uh, they were dirty to the farm to the temporary platform that’s there, and we’re you know, we hung all the way to in the morning, and then throughout the morning we went through them and cleaned them and and uh, you know.
00:30:05
Speaker 6: It’s really it’s really labor intensive.
00:30:07
Speaker 7: You’re you’re scraping all this stuff off the oyster and you got like like stuff splattering in your face and stuff some of the beaches and things, and it’s.
00:30:15
Speaker 6: Just it’s it’s not it’s not fun work at all.
00:30:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:30:18
Speaker 7: And and then at noon, like we you know, we stopped for lunch, and then we went back out and we started working again.
00:30:25
Speaker 6: And I went to go get.
00:30:26
Speaker 7: A string and I pulled it out of the water, and I’m like it’s clean, you know, like and it was something that that we’d noticed before.
00:30:32
Speaker 6: But I just had this this epiphany that’s like this.
00:30:35
Speaker 7: Real the classic aha moment where I was like, wait a minute, what are we doing, Like why are we scraping these oysters when the fish are there and they’re they’re ready and willing to do this work for us.
00:30:47
Speaker 6: And so from then on we just kind.
00:30:49
Speaker 7: Of went all in with with the whole concept of fish cleaning, and we built out all these all these structures underwater in shallow zones where there’s lots of fish that were like kind of like big like spider webs, and we’d hang all the baskets from from from those platforms and the fish would come around and and uh and and clean them all up, and then we take them back out to the.
00:31:11
Speaker 6: Line like a couple of days later.
00:31:13
Speaker 2: Cool stuff.
00:31:14
Speaker 7: And then so now like we basically like took that idea and then and then went further with it by opening the baskets. And it sounds so stupid, like, oh, just opened the baskets, but you know, like when when you lose so much money from the from the predation of the fish, you get really kind of shy of of doing.
00:31:35
Speaker 6: Things like that.
00:31:36
Speaker 7: So sure, that’s what we’ve been doing, and it’s been working really well, and I don’t know, hopefully I’m not I’m not not talking too much.
00:31:42
Speaker 3: No, it’s great, Josh. You mentioned earlier that you run an Instagram and you do some some communication and outreach. If folks want to learn more about Komocha Pearl and your work, where can they find you?
00:31:56
Speaker 6: Just Kumoka Pearl.
00:31:57
Speaker 7: We’re on all all socials and yeah, just look us up anywhere. We my son and I monitor all the all the socials. He does most of the posting and I answer the comments and respond to questions and stuff, and so.
00:32:14
Speaker 6: We’re you know, we’re there.
00:32:15
Speaker 7: We’re very easy to find and so if people reach out to us, most of the time we’ll be able to respond, unless we’re in a place where we can’t do that, or like sometimes we have stuff that goes viral and we just get inundated.
00:32:28
Speaker 6: I’m sure you guys know what that’s life.
00:32:30
Speaker 3: Sure well, Josh, thank you for waking up early again I know it’s early there and joining us on the show and sharing with folks about your world. We appreciate it. Great to meet you.
00:32:41
Speaker 2: Thanks, Josh.
00:32:42
Speaker 6: Awesome. Nice to you guys. Thank you very much.
00:32:44
Speaker 5: No, no, no, what was that?
00:32:47
Speaker 2: That’s how you say goodbye?
00:32:48
Speaker 3: And to Heshian?
00:32:49
Speaker 2: Did you know that? Or do you google it?
00:32:51
Speaker 5: I had time to google it.
00:32:54
Speaker 2: It’s a great contribution to the show, Corey.
00:32:56
Speaker 3: I’m sure.
00:32:56
Speaker 2: I’m glad you thought of doing sharp Corey. I want some of those those pearls around.
00:33:03
Speaker 3: I just I want to see that. I just want to see that place. Yeah, that sounds wild. It sounds beautiful.
00:33:11
Speaker 2: All right. Next up, we have a rut report.
00:33:14
Speaker 3: Hope we should be tail run Kim, It’s already here.
00:33:18
Speaker 2: Kenn’s gonna tell you what should do.
00:33:23
Speaker 3: Text you bye cause your weaping kids.
00:33:25
Speaker 2: Goodbye. Don’t decide to desert you. Here is Mark Kenyon with your white tail update for this weekend. Take it away, Phil.
00:33:39
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, Mark Kenyon here with Wired to Hunt, and I’m coming at you with another one of our rut reports here for October twenty third, and I’m reporting from the windy, blustery and uh quickly cooling cornfields of southern Michigan. What I’m experiencing here is something that many hunters across the country are, which is this colt this moving across the country. And that’s good news for hunters because deer are definitely on their feet. Getting a lot of reports of even daylight activity from mature bucks right now. So take advantage of this weather system if you can. I’ve also been getting reports of a couple early doughs.
00:34:16
Speaker 3: Coming into heat.
00:34:17
Speaker 8: This is earlier than usual for most parts of the country. I wouldn’t expect that to be a trend, but it is something to just keep an eye out. You know, the rut is a bell curve, so there’s a few that are going to come into heat early, and then most come in that mid November time period, and then a few off in the back end too, so that’s all beginning to rise right now. Scraping activity is peaking right now at this time of the year, so scrape’s gonna have more daylight activity than at almost any other time of the year, So keep an eye on scrapes, keep an eye out for that early dough that maybe can get the bucks in your area really feeling ready, and otherwise count on more daylight activity right now from your local deer than maybe you’ve seen over the last three weeks, but they will likely still be in their home turf sticking relatively close to the patterns you’ve been observing over the last few weeks. So it’s a great time to be in the woods. I wish you luck and I will be back in two weeks for another rut report.
00:35:10
Speaker 3: That’s a pretty good camo pattern for that corn feme.
00:35:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh maybe that’s walnut.
00:35:16
Speaker 3: Either way, it looks good on your mind, Yeah, disappears.
00:35:19
Speaker 2: Feeling inspired after Mark’s little report there. I love this time of year. Because it’s like it is very good hunting right now, but the best is still yet to come. Well, so you’ve like got you’ve got weeks of really good movement to look forward to you and it’s like just starting at this moment, that’s just goosebumps just hearing you say that. Yeah.
00:35:36
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:35:37
Speaker 2: For the best up to date whitetail movement information, go listen to Rot Fresh on the Wired Hunt podcast feed. New episodes drop every week and have rot reports from hunters across the country. Also, Mark is really excited about his newest episode of Wired Hunt. That’s episode nine to six three, featuring a deep dive into the lessons of Roger Rothar. Mark calls him the influencer of today’s white tail influencers. Again, that’s episode nine to sixty three on the Wired hant feed.
00:36:05
Speaker 5: And let’s not forget about white Tail e edu every Wednesday on the meteor Clips channel.
00:36:10
Speaker 2: Nice Mark and Tony make those.
00:36:13
Speaker 4: Mark Tony and what’s coming on.
00:36:16
Speaker 2: They’re answering all the white tail questions you didn’t know you had and the ones you do have. All Right, our next segment is top threes.
00:36:25
Speaker 9: We’re just hitting all the drops back to back, good camera work Phil as well.
00:36:48
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, yeah, we make do with what we have in this room.
00:36:52
Speaker 2: All right, this week we have all brought our own top three lists. Corey, start us off. What are you ranking today?
00:36:58
Speaker 4: Okay?
00:36:59
Speaker 5: I had a lot of help last evening with my beautiful wife Sarah after a couple of glasses of wine.
00:37:04
Speaker 3: So this one’s for you, honey.
00:37:06
Speaker 5: This is the top three hypocritical complaints hunters with families make in the fall.
00:37:12
Speaker 2: Okay, so that’s very specific.
00:37:14
Speaker 5: Let’s think about those honeydewes or stuff your spouse may ask you to do in the fall. All the while, all you’re thinking about is hunting. Sure, so number three fall decorations that might annoy the crap out of some You know, some spouses might go a little over the top with fall decorations, but hunters are awfully hypocritical about it, because boy, they go decorate trees with stands and ladders and trail cameras. Gearing yourself up for your fall hunting season.
00:37:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of the same.
00:37:45
Speaker 2: I just punt on Halloween and Thanksgiving and then we just go all in on Christmas. Oh that’s an easy compromise for us.
00:37:52
Speaker 3: I just recommend living someplace where no one trick or treats at your house.
00:37:57
Speaker 2: That’s so easy though, Yeah, you just turn on the lights, put a bowl of candy, have three dogs. Oh oh, that’s probably why.
00:38:04
Speaker 3: You’ve moved on. Yeah.
00:38:06
Speaker 5: Well, Number two consumerism in the fall. So who else rolls their eyes when they hear any excitement about pumpkin spice, lattes, flannel pajamas, scarms, holiday har Hallmark TV shows. Okay, but we as hunters are fed the same outdoor gear commercials, and we all could admit we buy unnecessary gear all the time.
00:38:27
Speaker 2: We watched silly videos about eating bison bread stuff like that.
00:38:31
Speaker 3: Just consumed.
00:38:33
Speaker 5: And number one, which I do have a photo for fall family photos. They might get up in the way.
00:38:40
Speaker 3: But oh I was wondering how this one fit in US as.
00:38:42
Speaker 5: Hunters were out there with their gripp and grins with the boys.
00:38:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like, uh you know, probably eighty percent of my camera roll is just used up between October and December.
00:38:54
Speaker 5: Yeah, there’s a photo of Spencer’s awesome bowl elk they shot last year opening Day rifle see and with good buddies of his including myself.
00:39:02
Speaker 3: In the back.
00:39:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, what a beautiful fall family portrait that way, it’s right.
00:39:07
Speaker 2: Imagine if it was you and your wife and kids there.
00:39:09
Speaker 4: Imagine this is if it’s for a boy band. Which one of you would be the hot one and which one of you would be the badass?
00:39:15
Speaker 2: Oh we’re all the hot badass.
00:39:17
Speaker 3: I think the one that’s totally washed out by the sun would be the one that got kicked out of the band. It’s like a bad airbrush job.
00:39:24
Speaker 2: That’s Ben. Sorry, Ben, I’ve been booted from the band.
00:39:27
Speaker 3: Day boy. This was a deep This is a deep sort of top three. Yeah, very sophisticated.
00:39:32
Speaker 2: I like. I like when we are specific and niche for things.
00:39:37
Speaker 3: Thanks y’all.
00:39:38
Speaker 2: Well done, Corey. All right, I am ranking the top three worst state game agency logos. If you listen to this show, you’ll know that I did the three best a few months ago. Now I am going to do the three worst. There are eleven states who flat out have not tried with their logo. It’d be one thing if it was bad design, but it’s not even that because these logos just simply have no design. It actually made me angry looking at these because the outdoors are so beautiful and esthetic and inspiring and that should be represented in these logos, but it’s not. They just simply have no personality at all. So let’s see the list here. Number three. We start with number three, Phil.
00:40:17
Speaker 4: I just want to make sure because it’s kind of confusing because we usually when we have an order in the slideshow, you label it one, two, three, But for top threes you want to start with three.
00:40:25
Speaker 2: Let’s start with three.
00:40:27
Speaker 4: Tell me the state and make sure a guy got the right one.
00:40:29
Speaker 2: Number three is the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources.
00:40:34
Speaker 4: I’m just trying to clarify things. YEA, so angry? Was that rude?
00:40:37
Speaker 1: Of Nope?
00:40:38
Speaker 2: Nope, No, Wisconsin’s logo is not only really bad, but it’s really weird. And it’s not weird in a good way. It’s got black land with blue water clouds that don’t really make sense. Then it’s got trees that are identical to your mouse cursor, and within those trees there’s a giant red w which is the only thing that’s even remotely Wisconsin about this logo. Wisconsin has the sixth most anglers, the fifth most hunters, and no one is more proud of their big giant bucks. But you wouldn’t know any of that by looking at this dreadful logo. Uh, they deserve something better than this, which when I looked at this, it looks like a thumbnail for a Super Mario level. To me, that’s what I see.
00:41:20
Speaker 3: I mean, it’s not at all reflective of the Midwestern sensibility that I would expect from the Wisconsin DNR.
00:41:26
Speaker 2: No.
00:41:27
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like I feel like Wisconsin is a state I so associate with some sort of traditional values, you know, just the Aldo Leopold right, like what are we doing here?
00:41:38
Speaker 2: Yeah? They just they have so much to work with and they have used none of it. And the giant red w that’s like even more Mario adjacent. It looks like a Warrio logo. To me, I just don’t get what Wisconsin was doing my game boy.
00:41:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, Mario, thank you all right.
00:42:00
Speaker 2: Number two is the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks. Uh, this logo looks like the designer waited until ten minutes before the deadline to even start because they couldn’t have possibly put in any less effort. It’s just text that says Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks in Times New Roman or something that looks like times New Roman. And then they have some stars in their state motto. What’s that state motto?
00:42:25
Speaker 3: Say? Phil Ad per aspera okay to the stars, from the mud to the stars through hardships.
00:42:31
Speaker 2: Very good, I think it can be.
00:42:33
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that’s the literal Latin. And it’s also the tagline of pall Mall cigarettes.
00:42:41
Speaker 2: Really you smoke those?
00:42:42
Speaker 3: I’ve smoked a couple of pall Mall cigarettes, yes, And I always was tickled when I looked at a pack of pall Mall.
00:42:48
Speaker 4: Take you to the Star?
00:42:51
Speaker 2: That is great. Did it have the translation on the pack or did it just have the the Latin?
00:42:59
Speaker 3: I don’t remember, and English reads the same to me.
00:43:01
Speaker 2: So that is some good barroom wisdom. You can drop it.
00:43:05
Speaker 3: I can’t believe I got to pull that one today.
00:43:07
Speaker 2: Very nice. Now, Kansas is known for its bison and white tails, its prairies. The world record flathead catfish was caught there, but instead of showing any of that cool stuff, they just have this sterile lay mass logo. Come on, Kansas. Such a disappointment. And number one is the New York Department of Environmental Conservation. New York has a roundel logo which just means that it’s a circle, like Target or Pepsi or Starbucks. Usually roundel’s have less personality to begin with. But then New York’s is just an absolute dud. It’s got flat blue water, green mountains, and then a white sky that turns to a blue sky for some reason. If you remove the words New York Department of Environmental Conservation from this logo, you’d have no idea what it is now. I don’t even think you would know the orientation of the logo if it’s like supposed to be upside down or sideways or what’s going on.
00:43:59
Speaker 4: Like a bouncy ball you get out of a vending machine.
00:44:01
Speaker 2: There you go. That’s just how ambiguous this is. New York has the finger legs, all kinds of game animals, plus they have the availability of all the aquatic creatures whales, sharks, atlantic sturgeon, and they ignore all of that for this sad depiction of nature. Shame on you, New York. You have so much potential for a badass logo, but instead you have the worst one in the country. And then I’ve got a bunch of honorable mentions here, Phil, let’s pull those up. We have the Connecticut Department of Energy and Environmental Protection. New logo is awful, and they even did a redesign in twenty twenty two, and that’s the best they could come up with. Illinois just zero character. Looks like the logo for a publishing agency or maybe an orange juice brand. I don’t know, just really terrible stuff. Indiana, their DNR logo is maybe the worst in the country. They do have a brand specifically for the Fish and Wildlife Management that does have a logo of a fish and a duck, but it still sucks. Iowa no personality. I actually don’t hate iowas I kind of like the colors in the font, but it’s still a bad, ugly logo. Michigan bad logo. Also a weird choice to include three great lakes in their logo Superior Michigan and hereon, even though the state touches a fourth great lake, Lake Erie. I’d be pissed if I was lake Erie.
00:45:20
Speaker 3: You know what.
00:45:21
Speaker 2: I think lake Erie is too good for Michigan. This logo tells me that they don’t appreciate it enough. So I’m gonna take lake Erie away from Michigan and give it all to Ohio. They don’t deserve it. They deserve better because they can’t even get shown in the logo with the other three great lakes that touch the state. Then we have North Carolina and Texas. These logos are similar, it’s text only. Honestly, I don’t hate them quite as much as the others. They look out doorsy at least. And then we have Minnesota terrible logo created twenty sixteen as part of a statewide program slaman boring. But I want to share this. I went to their Facebook page to see what people were saying when the logo change happened, because these groups always have to change their profile picture, and when their profile picture change happened, there was only one single comment on that photo. Please show it Phil. It was Jeff Dale. He asked three years ago are hot dogs legal to use for ice fishing? And sadly nobody has responded to jet. So if you know the answer for Jeff, please go to the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources facebook page, look at the posts from when they changed their profile picture in twenty twenty one, and let Jeff know if hot dogs are legal or not for ice fishing. Those are the three worst logos, and then eight honorable mentions. And here’s here’s like my suggestion to these eleven states, hold a contest for a logo redesign. You could be open to the general public. It could be for an arts program at a college, it could be a local school. States do this all the time with flag redesigns. That’s how Minnesota and Alaska have wound up with two of the best state flags. You don’t have to be like Oklahoma and pay an agency one hundred thousand dollars, which is what they did in twenty twenty two. There are cheap, even free alternatives that could fix this problem.
00:47:07
Speaker 3: Wow suggestion. Did you ever read the column on page two of ESPN dot com called uni watch.
00:47:14
Speaker 2: I I read it a little bit. I had less familiarity with that than when it became a Twitter account. Because they have great tweets covering all of the uniforms that happen in pro sports and amateur.
00:47:27
Speaker 3: This is very reminiscent of uni watch.
00:47:29
Speaker 2: I like looking at these things.
00:47:31
Speaker 3: I like powerful emotions about something that I think it’s called People don’t think.
00:47:34
Speaker 2: Twice vexology is studying flag design. I really enjoy that as well, and I’ve always been disappointed that I’ve lived in states that usually have really crappy flags like Montana’s is just the state seal, which unless if you’re like sixteen inches away from it, you have no idea what you’re looking at. So I love Montana if they would fix that state flag. Yeah, all right, let’s do our next top three I think we are going to do who Feiel next?
00:48:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it’s my turn, hil yep, yep again. Well not not again, but I mean again, I’m bringing something stupid and weird, but you know it’s it’s the holiday season, the spooky Halloween season. I’m wearing I’m wearing my jack lantern sweater. Corey got mad at me for wearing it a week early.
00:48:19
Speaker 2: Not mad.
00:48:21
Speaker 4: So I decided to make my top three list of horror villain horror movie villains I would want to go hunting with. This is coming from someone who can count the number of animals he’s shot on one hand, but I think I can still bring a lot to the table.
00:48:34
Speaker 2: Gay, yes, thank you.
00:48:36
Speaker 4: So the first one that we have here is Sam from the from Trick or Treat Familiar Horror Anthology. Oh he’s big at spirit Hot Halloween pros of sam or that he’s small’s small, Oh he’s a child, you know, I’d say like like three and a half four feet tall, hard heart for wildlife the spot. He comes with Hunter’s orange already and a game bag, so he’s prepared, Hans. The scent control might be a little difficult with the weird, fleshy pumpkinhead that’s under his sack, which is not pictured here, but it’s it. I’m sure it smells terrible. Number two we have Freddy Krueger pros. He brings his own set of knives. Yes, cons he can only kill animals in their dreams. Might be a problem, but it could be an interesting, uh hunting trip, something new and new experience for you. He may not be able to possess a gun because of the whole child predator and serial killing. Yeah, this one comes with an an asterisk though, because cocted that’s the thing he was. He was killed by a vigilante mob before he was ever convicted, so there’s no legal record of him not being able like being being you know, convicted of a crime.
00:49:43
Speaker 2: And do both hands have the knives or is it just one hand?
00:49:48
Speaker 4: Spencer You’ve put me on the spot here I’m trying to picture it, but I can’t.
00:49:50
Speaker 2: I can’t. I’m just like trying to logistically can draw a bow back?
00:49:54
Speaker 3: I just I just know my friend had a glove that had the knives on it, and he only had one. Wasn’t a set? That might have just been because he lost it.
00:50:03
Speaker 4: No, it’s just one hand.
00:50:05
Speaker 2: Figure it out.
00:50:06
Speaker 4: Then yep. Okay, number one, that’s number.
00:50:08
Speaker 3: Of time pulling a bow back.
00:50:11
Speaker 4: Number one, We’ve got the blair Witch. The blair Witch is not pictured here. That is one of her victims in Time Out pros. She remains completely unseen. She’s never been seen. She’s very familiar with the Maryland Woods specifically, so this kind of you know, you’re limited to a one geographical area, but I think you can make a lot out of it. Another pro leaves crafts hanging from tree so you won’t get lost. There’s another asterisk here that didn’t really help the the kids that were in the film, they got very lost. But I think that’s that’s because she was being antagonistic towards them. I think if she were aligned, we had similar goals of trying to get a deer. I think it could help. Another pro has her own cabin.
00:50:50
Speaker 3: Yep, that’s true.
00:50:51
Speaker 4: It’s out there in the woods already. Con makes you face the wall while she does all the processing. Another asterisk here, maybe, I mean that’s she’s kind. She’s doing all the work, but you know, you kind of want to help out, like she invited you along. She helped you get the deer?
00:51:05
Speaker 8: Phil.
00:51:05
Speaker 2: How old are you when that movie came out?
00:51:07
Speaker 4: That was ninety nine? I believe so I was eight.
00:51:09
Speaker 2: Was that impaired on you? Or was it not on you?
00:51:11
Speaker 4: I didn’t see it until college?
00:51:12
Speaker 2: Now, how about you, Rand? How old were you in nineteen ninety nine?
00:51:16
Speaker 3: Ninety nine? I was thirteen years old.
00:51:18
Speaker 2: Did you watch The Blair Witch Project?
00:51:22
Speaker 3: Not until later? And it’s a movie. It’s a movie that I forgot about for decades and then it popped onto my mental bradar again a couple years ago, and and I just thought, what a weird thing that was.
00:51:36
Speaker 2: But it like kind of crushed it.
00:51:37
Speaker 3: It was very culturally like people people didn’t know if it was real.
00:51:41
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they marketed that way. They shot up for like twelve thousand bucks and it made tens of millions of the bucks I have. They do have some some honorable mentions. I was going to say, we’ve got there’s obviously, we’ve got leather face, just sheer enthusiasm from that guy, and he might you know, he’s he’s got a lot of experienced skinning. Edward Cullen from a horror movie. Not a villain either, but a vampire who is who hunts, who kills deer and sucks deer blood, but doesn’t because he’s trying. He doesn’t want to kill humans.
00:52:09
Speaker 3: Doesn’t the werewolf guy in that one, the you know, the the yeah Jacob, Yeah, doesn’t he kill a deer in that Actually.
00:52:17
Speaker 4: I’ve only seen the films once, Like I don’t recall.
00:52:20
Speaker 3: To watch them.
00:52:20
Speaker 2: They move incredibly fast. Oh, they’re very blinking.
00:52:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, their skins kind of sparkly, which might be a problem.
00:52:26
Speaker 3: Fast like my top three.
00:52:27
Speaker 4: And then we’ve got we’ve got Hannibal Lecter, probably not much of a hunter, but we’ve seen Anthony hopkins skills in the edge and so if he can, if any of those transfer over to any of his other characters. We’ve seen how how quickly he can skin out of animals at a bear.
00:52:45
Speaker 3: He’s a great cook too, that’s a thing he’ll be able.
00:52:47
Speaker 4: To pair your gay meat with the perfect wine. Anyway, those that’s my top three in honorable mentions.
00:52:52
Speaker 2: Very good, fantastic, he likes that tiger meat. There you go, it’s raw. All right, We have our last time. Three is from Randall. Randall, take it away.
00:53:02
Speaker 3: Well, I was going to do a top three at top threes with my top three ideas for top three.
00:53:08
Speaker 2: For a peak behind the curtain. Randall was working on this at eleven or excuse me, ten fifty five Callahan code.
00:53:16
Speaker 3: Yep. I’m going to go with my top three things to eat after I get out of the elk woods. Yeah, the way home. Number three, and it could be higher except for one complication. Number three is chicken wings because you can eat as many as you want and not feel bad about it, and it’s just a gluttonous experience. The catch is that you eat them with your hands, so if you’ve been successful hunting, you know, even even one wash after you cut up an elk, one hand wash isn’t sufficient, so you really it’s it’s only for the sort of consolation post hunt meal. Unsuccessful huh yeah, but just a great just a great food. You can sit there at the bar watch the game you know, and typically the spice encouraged you to hydrate or im vibe.
00:54:08
Speaker 2: Can I guess one of your next two that you’re going to say?
00:54:11
Speaker 3: Sure?
00:54:12
Speaker 2: Is it going to be a taco bell like a crunch? Okay, well you didn’t have to say, I was right, go ahead.
00:54:17
Speaker 3: Sorry, I thought you were going to make a funny guess, not like poking holes in my battleship. Number two is a burger and a beer, just at a bar roadside tavern, preferably not a chain, although you can get a nice burger at chilies.
00:54:34
Speaker 2: You When have you ever walked into a Chili’s after a hunt? Never?
00:54:41
Speaker 3: You’re poking holes in all my.
00:54:44
Speaker 2: Sorry, Sorry, I did we did eat.
00:54:46
Speaker 3: I did eat at the Buffalo Wild Wings in Great Falls three times in a row during the hunt, three nights in a row. The guy was sweet.
00:54:53
Speaker 2: Were they like the usual by the time you came in?
00:54:56
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, the guy the guy was he wasn’t from Great Falls, but he used to at a Buffalo Wild Wings, New Jersey, and I was asking what happened to the buffalo chips and cheese, and he was so pissed, But then he sold us on a couple of menu items that we hadn’t tried yet.
00:55:11
Speaker 2: What what what sauces do you get?
00:55:15
Speaker 3: I typically just go for hot buffalo if I’m in a if I’m in a sort of feeling bad about my self moods, it’s typically like a be a honey barbecue.
00:55:26
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn’t know this could be emotion.
00:55:28
Speaker 4: De Gordon is asking for your your preferred flat to drummy ratio. And yes they use the term drummy fitty fitty perfect.
00:55:36
Speaker 2: I would take all drummis all flats.
00:55:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like I like the flats. I like to turn my flat. There’s more work. And number one is Taco Bell.
00:55:47
Speaker 2: Who could have seen that coming?
00:55:48
Speaker 3: Taco Bell is great because it comes to you quickly. Uh, there’s one right by my house on the way back from my elk hunting spots. You can order in volume without feeling guilty or breaking the bank. And typically when I’m out in the woods, I’m sweating a lot. And there’s nothing better to put in your body when you’re sweating than mountain dew. Mountain dew in the original flavor or Baja blast, is one of nature’s finest revitalizing substances. And you know, I’ve I’ve developed a pretty serious habit back in my deck staining days. You know, you get a big sixty four ounce from the convenience store, sixty four ounce mountain dew on tap, big gulps. Oh yeah, big gulps. But uh, I don’t They don’t call them that at Speedway. But yeah, Taco Bell is just you can’t go wrong. I typically would order a crunt trap or two, a couple of soft tacos, and then maybe like one of the value burritos.
00:56:46
Speaker 4: Okay, Randal we talked to. It’s not like the show is going long or anything. But Randall, we talked about this briefly in Nashville of mountain dew VARIETYLS.
00:56:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, could you do a sub.
00:56:55
Speaker 4: Top three of mountain des I bet.
00:56:57
Speaker 2: Randall is not a pearist. I would bet he’s goes the other the spectrum and he’s like making mountain dew suicides.
00:57:03
Speaker 3: No, no, I am, I am a purist. Oh wow, I think the original, the original, the original mixture is the only mountain dew one should drink unless you’re at a Taco Bell to get Baja blast. And really the only one that I can speak to is Code Red. Yeah, but Phil is actually quite a connoisseur.
00:57:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, back back in high school, I drank. I drank too much Mountain de Do. I’ve had to quit soda cold turkey because it was such a problem.
00:57:30
Speaker 2: When did that happen?
00:57:32
Speaker 3: Uh?
00:57:32
Speaker 4: In college? Yeah, I would say, uh, baja blast number one, original number two, number three Mountain Dew game fuel, which was the license tie into Halo three. When that came back back in like two thousand and nine or something, whenever Halo freaking out two and seven, they stopped making it. They tried to turn it into an energy drink. It tasted like ass, and then they remade it with the original formula. It is just a normal soda a few years ago, but just as kind of like a limited release thing. And I bought. I bought a lot, and I relapsed for a week.
00:58:03
Speaker 2: Oh but now, when did that happen?
00:58:06
Speaker 4: A year or two ago? Okay, but it’s like a cherry citrus flavor. Very good.
00:58:09
Speaker 3: I saw that swamp donkey. You wanted to know Top three embarrassing hunting mistakes, and I will point out that one of my other top threes was most embarrassing moments in my fishing guide career. So we’ll save that one other day.
00:58:25
Speaker 2: My correct guess of your taco bell order was based on Randall and I had to host a company event a few years ago where we had to make a game for folks attending, and it was all guessing based You look at this elkt shed and you guess it’s score. You’d lift this cooler and guess its weight. One of them was we had you guess the calories of these three things. One of them was like two s’mores. One of the things you had to guess the calaries for was Randall’s post hunt meal. And I told Randall, I said, rand to really use your imagination here. What would you have after a hunt? And he selected too two tall Boy Coors banquets and I think a grunch wrap supreme with a couple packets of hot sauce. Yeah, that was Randall.
00:59:08
Speaker 3: Guilty is charged, guiltiest charged. But I will point out that there were backup crunch trap supremes in the fridge and I expensed them all and I took them all home.
00:59:18
Speaker 4: We’ve got people in the live chat sharing Mary talk about orders with us.
00:59:21
Speaker 2: It’s the best.
00:59:21
Speaker 4: This is the best time I’ve ever had running this show.
00:59:25
Speaker 3: Good because we’re running late.
00:59:29
Speaker 2: All right, we are going to wrap it up now with our final interview of the day. Joining us on the line next is Michael Burton. Michael has developed the most unique way in the country of finding new fishing spots. Michael, Welcome to the show.
00:59:44
Speaker 4: Hello.
00:59:45
Speaker 2: Michael has gained hundreds of thousands of social media followers for his approach to getting people to tell him about their secret honey holes. Michael explain to folks what you do?
00:59:57
Speaker 1: So I make I make videos primarily on TikTok. Now I used to make them on Instagram, and by far my most successful series is catfishing people stealing their fishing spots and then ranking their fishing spots to see how well it does compare to the other spots I’ve stolen from people.
01:00:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, it’s great content. It is what got you on my radar. Why we’re talking to you today. So the fake account that you have are those pictures of a girl you know? Or is this just a stranger?
01:00:28
Speaker 1: So those are all real pictures of my girlfriend Brooke. Oh and yeah, I use this as kind of the introduction to the series, but whenever I make a new account, it is pretty much the same pictures. It is always the name B with the B emoji. And if you see somebody else asking for fishing spots, they probably are a catfish. But it’s not gonna be me. I know there’s lots of other people doing this now.
01:00:52
Speaker 2: Okay, So in your bio, I noticed it said some stuff like what I enjoy doing fishing a goal of mine, my first steelhead. That is how Michael gets these guys to tell them his spots. Now, are you portraying someone who really loves fishing or someone who’s new to fishing, someone who wants to go on a fishing day, like, tell us about this character you’ve created.
01:01:14
Speaker 1: So essentially, I try to make it as obvious as possible that I am who I am, especially to people who have seen the content before. And then when people match with me, I don’t like string them along or get them invested in me as a person. I feel that’s a little bit mean. Oh I just straight up ask them, like, tell me where you caught this fish fishing spots now? For whatever reason, that works really well for guys.
01:01:39
Speaker 2: Oh okay, some desperate men out there holding fish on dating apps for the locations guys give you, how often are they actual secret spots versus just community holes that everybody knows about.
01:01:52
Speaker 1: They’re almost always community holes. Especially in the beginning when I wasn’t famous for this, I get a lot of people who clearly just googled fishing spots near Bend. And because of that, if you look at the early content, it’s a lot of like sea tier spots. As I got a little bit better at catfishing, people people would occasionally give me like less well known spots, but again it’s spots you could easily find on Google. It’s very rare. I get a suggestion that’s like an actually good suggestion that I haven’t known about prior.
01:02:26
Speaker 2: Okay, so tell us about some of the highlights, the best days of fishing you’ve had thanks to Hinge.
01:02:33
Speaker 4: Awesome.
01:02:33
Speaker 1: So I like it when I match with a fan and they prank me, like they pretend to be somebody who is like falling for the scam and then they send me somewhere. So probably the funniest prank spot I’ve been sent to is it looks like it’s this lake that’s going to be super good on Google Earth. You know, it’s off Elk Lake. It’s nice and secluded, but it’s where the cramarants, nest or cormorants. I read how you pronounce it. There’s no fish in the lake like at all? Yeah, that spot exactly so, because there’s like literally hundreds of fishing birds, there’s absolutely no fish. There’s squawking the whole time and yelling and just pooping in the water. It’s absolutely disgusting. So I brought my brother thinking it would be like a fire secret spot, and no, we just got pranked hard.
01:03:22
Speaker 2: Oh okay, what about like real good days of fishing though that you’ve had. What about some like highlights that you’ve had.
01:03:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the best spot I’ve been recommended was also a prank. Somebody found these giant cliffs along the Dishoots River where there’s just like no way to get down, and they said, oh, this is the spot, and I’m a rock climber, so I’m like, okay, giant cliffs, let’s go. So I get down to the river and I caught close to thirty fish in an hour because nobody has been there before. And that’s actually now like my go to spot. Whenever I want brown trout, I’ll just stop at that specific spot on the way home, throw on a rainbow rappola, catch like five brown trout that are keeper size, and then just climb back out and have dinner.
01:04:04
Speaker 2: Wonderful. How about low lights? Besides the Cormorant Lake, where have you wound up where the fishing was just dreadful?
01:04:12
Speaker 1: There’s actually been a lot of spots I’ve been to, especially on the coast, where I’m not familiar with, where it looks really good on Google, and then you get there and it’s just Kelp, like Kelp all around. You can’t throw a high low rig anywhere because it’s just gonna get stuck. You can’t use a jig because it’s just gonna get stuck. And like, whenever I get to these spots, I know like I’ve been got and I just wasted a couple hours of driving, and then I’ll try to find a nearby spot so I can actually make a video. Those spots tend not to make it into the series because I don’t want to post a video where it’s just like, yeah, I got screwed over by Kelp for two hours straight.
01:04:51
Speaker 2: I notice in all your videos you say that you use Hinge. Why Hinge over the other dating apps like Tinder or bumble?
01:04:59
Speaker 1: Yes, so hinge has the benefit where people can match with you and send you a message, and as the girl, you can read the message. So the vast majority of matches I get with people are not fishermen. They’re just random people. They like, hey, no one’s jacket, or they’ll just send you a life with no context. And if I had to sift through all of those matches, it would be borderline impossible. I would also have to swipe right on pretty much everybody, which would be a big red flag in the system, and it’d get banned a lot faster. Like I still get banned all the time. But I assume if I was on the ender, just like mashing right with every single person, my accounts would only last.
01:05:40
Speaker 6: Like a day or two.
01:05:40
Speaker 2: Okay, a lot of strategy. I didn’t suspect there. Now you’ve done this experiment in Oregon and Hawaii. How did men in those two states differ when it comes to telling you about fishing spots?
01:05:52
Speaker 1: In Hawaii, I didn’t really get any good fishing spots. I don’t know if it’s because at that point my series had, like not to brag, but like millions of views and people just knew about me. But people would just tell me to go to like this same exact spot on Waikiki, which is where all the tourists hang out m M, and then in or again I would get I assume quite a few real suggestions of like actual fishing spots.
01:06:18
Speaker 2: Okay, now by this point you have seen thousands of dating profiles of guys. Tell us about some of the trends you’ve noticed with fishing pictures on dating apps.
01:06:30
Speaker 1: Uh, everybody has the same pose with the fish where they hold it out slightly in front of them and they’re smiling behind it. I don’t know if that’s a good strategy or a bad strategy. But I’ve also seen like some really creative pictures of people posing with fish. And again I’m not a girl. I can’t say like what is sexier or more attractive or what works better. But those people who like you know, are standing somewhere cool with the fish. It like a fish in their hand, and you can see the fish relative to the person’s box and they’re smiling like you know. To me, that is like, oh, this person actually knows where to fish. Let me go match with them.
01:07:06
Speaker 2: And see if I can get that spot. How has the catfishing been today? Have you been on Hinge yet this morning?
01:07:14
Speaker 1: I’m currently between accounts. The last time I made account, it was almost entirely fans of the show trying to prank me. So I don’t know if I have to retire the series or just keep it going as like an inside joke. I still have a list of approximately one hundred and fifty spots wow, catfish, Fryer that I need to get through so I can at least keep the series going for another year or two. But I am looking at like, you know, alternative like heel content where I’m slightly the bad guy, but I’m not being mean to anybody, and you know, again focused on like fishing and outdoorsy stuff.
01:07:50
Speaker 2: Wonderful. Okay, I’m very excited for season two. If people want to see your hinge catfishing and other fishing content, where should they go to do that?
01:07:59
Speaker 1: So I’m on TikTok only right now, I’m Central dot orgon dot fishing. I would encourage people not to follow the account unless you actually like the content, because I have a very odd sense of humor. Really yeah, I’d rather have people who actually appreciate that sense of humor and like watch the whole videos as opposed to people who just follow me for support and then don’t watch the videos and kind of ruin the algorithm.
01:08:24
Speaker 2: For me, it’s very good stuff, Michael. I like watching your content. I think folks will enjoy seeing your videos. Very creative at it’s very creative series.
01:08:33
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us in. Good luck on the dating apps. All right, thank you for having me by now.
01:08:41
Speaker 2: Hm, I’m speechless. I wonder how we would do another part of the country. I feel like Oregon. I don’t know, Phil, you from that part.
01:08:53
Speaker 3: Phil, you’re used to catfishing people online.
01:08:55
Speaker 4: What do you say one of my favorite pastimes. I mean, Central Organs an incredible place, so it’d be plenty plenty of opportunities down there, I would guess. But again, I’m not not much much of a fisherman, so I couldn’t speak of that.
01:09:07
Speaker 5: Okay, I feel like you do really well around here because nobody’s from here. Everybody’s already ruined their friend’s spot. Everybody’s always open to sharing all their hot spots.
01:09:18
Speaker 3: I’m surprised I didn’t know about this because one of my favorite TV shows of all time was To Catch a Predator.
01:09:25
Speaker 4: I thought you’re going to have a picture with Chris with Chris Hansen, really i’d him. He signed, he signed a book for me.
01:09:31
Speaker 2: Well was the occasion?
01:09:32
Speaker 4: Oh, I was my best friend was the ASP president and he was doing something with our schools. He was like, we had sort of a we would watch to Catch a Predator together. It’s Chris Hansen’s coming, I can get you in. So yeah, it was.
01:09:44
Speaker 6: It was good.
01:09:47
Speaker 4: I thought I got the pack of my cards that need to be.
01:09:50
Speaker 2: I thought, you’re going to say your favorite show is Was it Catfish with Neat? Uh? What’s the MTV show? There was Catfish, Cheaters, Cheaters, the old HBO I love the host of that show got stamped. I think, yeah, what a good tie in for this show. Wow, we did it all right. That brings us to the end of the episode. Phil, Let’s get some feedback from the chat.
01:10:10
Speaker 5: Uh.
01:10:11
Speaker 4: We found we’ve had a very active chat, but not a lot of questions. I think people are show but like a very popular one has been gas cans. Spencer going to reveal the gas cans this week.
01:10:22
Speaker 2: Not this week, but it’s coming. I’m still going through all the emails.
01:10:24
Speaker 1: Uh.
01:10:25
Speaker 2: Very passionate folks wrote in about their favorite gas cans there. I think two that stand out above the rest. So I will get listeners that list very soon.
01:10:34
Speaker 3: I’ll be waiting.
01:10:35
Speaker 4: Mike is wondering, Randall, have you ever read the book The Long Rifle Stewart Edward White.
01:10:41
Speaker 3: I don’t think that I have, and I can’t answer for Steve, but I’ll check it out.
01:10:46
Speaker 2: Steve hasn’t, no, Mike.
01:10:47
Speaker 3: Actually, one of my other top threes was gonna be best Books about shooting.
01:10:51
Speaker 2: Oh, very good.
01:10:53
Speaker 4: Mike also has another question that might be dumb. I don’t know, because I don’t know. I’m saying this about me because I’m I’m dumb, and I don’t know if this is a good question or not. Why do I always see or what do I always see in the meat Eater videos on the gun muzzles to protect them, like a muzzle condom or electrical tape.
01:11:08
Speaker 2: Uh. Sometimes it’s maybe literally a condom that folks will put on there. And what’s that doing, Randall.
01:11:14
Speaker 3: It’s keeping debris and moisture out of your barrel. I typically use electrical tape. But then I was reading I.
01:11:24
Speaker 2: Don’t like where this is going. Well, I’ve always been to the impression that that does nothing for your ballistics.
01:11:28
Speaker 3: Oh no, it doesn’t. But if you’re using a high volume suppressor, like a suppressor that that can catch a lot of gas, there is the potential for complications using the electrical tape method because your bullet, if enough gas goes into your suppressor by the time that bullet is at your muzzle, it could. But I don’t know. But it’s just got me second guessing myself a little bit.
01:11:55
Speaker 5: Well, if you have a suppressor, make sure you get the FHF suppressor cover you.
01:12:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, that’s right, it’ll keep the debris out, that’s right.
01:12:04
Speaker 4: Next, we have a question from Mogor. Explain to a European guy how long it takes you to get to work. Apparently Randall lives way out in the middle of nowhere to way out.
01:12:15
Speaker 3: Well, RD thirty eight minutes if things are good, Yeah, thirty eight. Well, because my truck knows where I’m going, so it tells me. So that’s how I I usually like to leave forty five minutes early. Just a lot of that is cutting through Bozeman.
01:12:37
Speaker 2: We’re approaching long commute season.
01:12:39
Speaker 3: Twenty four Yeah, twenty four miles on the interstate, but through a mountain pass. Yeah, through a mountain pass. But again, I am only I think three miles from a Taco bell maybe good.
01:12:51
Speaker 2: I think my commute is probably like eighteen minutes.
01:12:53
Speaker 5: What do you got, Corey, It takes about six minutes, Okay, I could ride a bike here.
01:13:00
Speaker 2: No, I’m very close.
01:13:01
Speaker 4: Phil, what’s your commune like twenty twenty five depending, Yeah, thirty eight.
01:13:06
Speaker 3: I’m on the other side of the past. That just shows you how bad the infrastructure is here for motor vehicle traffic. Hmm.
01:13:15
Speaker 4: Our our producer who lives in Missoula, just said three hours.
01:13:19
Speaker 2: Yeah. The average commute I just google it for Americans as of twenty twenty three is twenty seven minutes, which I feel like we’ve found close to that.
01:13:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:13:28
Speaker 4: Chad is asking any tips for handling game meat with trauma after being shot. I shot a buck in both front shoulders, had a decent amount of trauma on the insides of them.
01:13:35
Speaker 2: Cut it out, Chad, Yeah, getting rid of I know that there’s a trick. Yeah, you don’t want bloodshot meat with even if you’re doing the thing lowest on the totem pole and like turning it into to ground meat. Just keep that that bloodshots.
01:13:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, there’s no secret secret sauce there.
01:13:52
Speaker 4: Phil, What is the process for how I pick a song to parody for a drop? There actually is a process. I will open up a Spotify play list, like based on a decade, so if I’m I kind of try to, you know, span from sixties through current stuff, so I also feel like a seventies song today, and then I’ll go through I’ll scroll through all the biggest hits from the seventies and then I’ll be repeating the segment name in my mind while I’m reading the list to try to find, you know, some alliteration or rhyming or syllables that match. Sometimes it’s easier, like like hot Hot to go for hot tips was obvious, but like doing Lose Yourself for fake News, that one was a stretch. But I was pretty proud of kind of making that work. That’s very good stuff. But yeah, that’s how Phil.
01:14:31
Speaker 2: Also, he doesn’t want to go too obvious when we have when we do the let’s talk about sex segment, I would have been very easy to do Saltan Peppa’s No.
01:14:40
Speaker 4: I ended up using that song for sir a different segment, which yeah, yeah, it’s been a guessing.
01:14:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, let’s do two more, Phil, you got two more? Two more?
01:14:49
Speaker 4: Uh nah, Well it’s there’s another one for me. But that seems you Come on, we just counted specifically for this one man, because no one’s going to know what the hell he’s talking about. He’s asking if I’ve played Our Creators, which is the new hotness in gaming right now. No, no, I’m not that it’s a competitive sort of competitive multiplayer game when when I’ve I’ve retired from those. I’m too old, i have kids, i can’t I can’t do, and I’ve been I’m a lapsed PC gamer. I’ve had a good PC in years, so I’m I’m I strictly stick to to console gaming for the most Partner Spencer, the other Spencer was just at the met Eater flagship store and he just wanted to give a shout out for for for the for the crew there.
01:15:29
Speaker 3: Shout out to the store boys.
01:15:31
Speaker 2: We love the store boys, door boys. They have managed to just fill that place with college age fellas and they do a great job running it.
01:15:39
Speaker 3: Yes, whatever, I need someone to go drink a cold one.
01:15:43
Speaker 4: With, I’ll do one that’s for real, and we’ll close out. Store manager Brayden says, moving from Iowa to southern Idaho, what versatile caliber rifle would you buy to hunt elk slash, deer, slash other large game if you would only pick.
01:15:57
Speaker 2: One, only pick one in Idaho with elk, deer and other large game. What do you got?
01:16:02
Speaker 3: Randall Um, I don’t think you need to overthink this. My my question to you would be how experienced are you shooting center fire rifles? I think, uh, choosing the right bullet and knowing how that bullet performs and.
01:16:22
Speaker 2: Give him an answer.
01:16:24
Speaker 3: Creedmore, there we go.
01:16:25
Speaker 2: I think I would say a thirty odd six or two seventy if you recoil conscious, maybe a three to eight or a six five creed More Corey three hundred win mag. Cory’s go on the other end of the spectrum.
01:16:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I I shot everything with a three hundred win mag for a while. I said, nothing wrong with it.
01:16:44
Speaker 5: I just can’t quit. Yeah, new hot cartridges are so lame to me.
01:16:48
Speaker 3: Okay, three all the way.
01:16:50
Speaker 2: He asked for one suggestion, I think we gave him five. Good good luck, Brandon. All Right, that’s the end of this week’s show. We’ll be back here next week, same time in place, by now
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