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Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia Podcast.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It’s eleven am Mountain time here in Bozeman, Montana, and that’s eleven am for our friends in Great Falls, Montana. I’m your host, Randa Williams, joined today by my good friends Corey Calkins Brody Henderson. As always, Phil Taylor, Master of Ceremonies, is behind the board here. We’ve got a great show for you today. We’re gonna talk to two fellas who just started a brand new advocacy group for hunters and anglers in Wyoming. I’m gonna play a little game called fake news. We’re gonna chat with Meat Eater’s brand spanking new director of Conservation, Mark Kenyon. We’ve got another edition of the Meat Poll. Glad to have you with us. Thanks for joining, Brody, Corey. We were just chatting before the show that we don’t have a lot to talk about. I suggested Corey talked about his son’s broken arm, and he seemed reluctant to do so, So I’m just gonna put it out there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Brody, been doing anything fun out there.
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Speaker 4: We’re not worried about social services checking in.
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Speaker 1: Are you?
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Speaker 2: Oh? No, I guess who hasn’t jumped off of a swing too far? Yeah, Marshall fell off a swing. That’s like a classic childhood milestone, no doubt swings or monkey bars or you know, rope swings with another kid. Yeah, pretty Yeah.
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Speaker 3: The Caulkins family is on a roll getting injured this.
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, the Caulkins men go hard.
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Speaker 5: We do.
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Speaker 3: We’d go hard in the paint, whether we’re trying to trees or jumping on a swing.
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Speaker 6: Was it like a very showy breaking of the arm, Like did he launch himself off the swing?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 2: I guess he was having a like long distance jumping contests. Sure, and then nothing happened there. I don’t know who won, Probably not him, he’s got he’s pretty short. And then he just jumped back on and then I think he fell on his face and his wrist broke his fall, so minor fracture. He’ll be fine. Oh yeah, he’ll be all right. Now.
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Speaker 6: I got nothing, Randal. I’m just looking at Wyoming drods for mule deer.
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Speaker 2: Not getting out on the ice.
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Speaker 4: What ice?
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Speaker 6: Yeh, yeah, I got I got a pile of points, but my pile isn’t quite big enough. Like, I’m a couple behind max points, which is a bad place to be in Wyoming.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I’m in the same position with elk and antelope in Wyoming. So just need to light those things on fire at some point.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I’m in the debacle at least here in Montana, with plenty of points to draw some pretty awesome tags. But I kind of want to just keep accumulating too. You know, the odds are only going to get worse. Try I continue to try for some of the hard tags. Yeah, I’m like, man, at some point, do I just burn it? I mean, we a couple of months from now, we could be sitting in this very room. We could be like, yeah, talking about how sweet our tags are.
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Speaker 8: Ye.
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Speaker 2: I did get out, I guess two weeks ago with Cal for a very last minute uh waterfowl excursions. So I’ve just been eating ducks, a lot of ducks, and I just there’s a recipe in the Wild Whole Cookbook where you just see them real quick and there’s like an orange squeeze some oranges, throw some bourbon in the pan and drizzle that over.
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Speaker 6: And you weren’t there for the little uh waterfowl extra extravaganza we did the other day.
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Speaker 2: No, but I got the leftover ducks. Yeah, there are a couple.
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Speaker 6: You got the leftover good ducks.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a couple of pintails. I think there was a baggy full of breasts and thighs in the in the fridge and I grabbed it on a Friday afternoon. We those ducks too, So.
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Speaker 4: People should keep an eye out for the next one.
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Speaker 6: Man, it’s gonna next little Steve experiment we eat mergansers.
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Speaker 3: Did he break out the lab coat again?
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Speaker 2: No lab coat? His his? Uh, scientific method is better than it was in the Rabbi in the Sky. Yeah, taste testing, because we’ve received a lot of feedback about the gross failures of our There wasn’t.
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Speaker 4: Much science involved in this one. It was just like just seeing what they taste.
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Speaker 2: Like, taste well. With nothing to add to that, Corey other than you’re broke. Oh Phil, huh And that’s a great idea. Phil. How have you been?
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Speaker 8: Oh fine, I wasn’t expecting this, randle on a little cut off guard here, But yeah, I’ve been doing well. Nothing really new to report. I’ve got a pre vasectomy appointment today and I was gonna ask Mark about I think Mark’s been public.
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Speaker 2: I can see him. I can see him cringing in the little box below main feat.
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Speaker 8: So maybe maybe we can talk about that with our new director of conservation.
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Speaker 2: Let me I you said you didn’t have much going on. You got it all going on. It’s it’s all happening fun. I just made a note here Phil’s vasectomy.
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Speaker 6: You know, Phil, I had some buddies that they I think this was a I don’t know if it’s still a thing, but it was a thing where dudes would like schedule their vasectomies like a circle of friends, like all at the same time, and then they had to have like a little post vasectomy, you know, gathering celebration.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I’ll do it, Randall, Yeah, sure, sweet, let’s do it. Yeah, find an excuse to throw a party.
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Speaker 2: We can get some good time in on the switches.
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Speaker 8: That’s gonna happen regardless.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well on that note. Joining us first today our Zach Lynch and Chris Allen, the founders of a new advocacy group, Protect Wyoming Pack. Zach, Chris, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 9: Thanks guys, thanks for proving us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Now, before we get into the details of your new group, can you just introduce ourselves, introduce yourselves to the audience, and just tell us where you’re coming from and what you guys do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Zach Lanch. I live in Cody. I work as a mountain guide. I own a guiding business, and I grew up in Wyoming. I did it fish for as long as I could remember. And just at a point of a clarification, we’re not an advocacy group. We are a political action committee. We’re doing very different things. We’re getting involved in elections and educating voters. But yeah, I got really inspired to get involved in Wyoming state politics last year when we had a lot of anti public lands and anti public wildlife legislation introduced in session. And Protect Wyoming is the result of that and that desire to get involved.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And how did you you connect with Chris here?
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Speaker 1: So we I think we’re both coming from a place of you know, not being involved in politics ever before in our in our lives and talking to other hunters and outdoors people in Wyoming that knew more about the political process than than we did, and we were able to connect through mutual.
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Speaker 2: Friends, gotcha and Chris, you’re coming to us from further east than.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I’m on the kind of the north central part of the state and Claremont, Wyoming just about an hour or so south of the Montana border, So a little different landscape than Zachson. More prairie country, ranch country out here, and Zach and I just hold similar similar values on public lane and public wildlife.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so can you You mentioned, Zach, you mentioned that this is a political action committee Protect Wyoming Pack, and you mentioned sort of that last year’s legislative session was influential and you guys getting this thing off the ground. Can you tell us a little bit about how you came to decide on being a pack rather than a you know, a five o’h one C three And can you tell us like what are your core issues?
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Speaker 8: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Great questions. You know, answer your first why a pack as opposed to another advocacy organization? Well, there are a lot of great advocacy organizations for public lands and wildlife in Wyoming, and I think it was eye opening last year to see how a lot of the advocacy seemed to fall flat with annumber of legislators. You know, I went to public town halls where you know, co sponsors of for instance, Senate Resolution to which would have transferred to all federal public lands to the state and Wyoming with the intent of selling them off. I mean, the public was up in arms about this, and you know, I remember clearly in Cody one town hall where one of the co sponsors of that bill said he didn’t care that he was going to introduce the legislation again if he had the opportunity, and he didn’t care what the constituents thought. And so it was in that moment really that my eyes opened that we need to get involved in the on the election side of things if our legislators aren’t going to represent our interests when we when we talked to them. So Political ash and Committee is really an organization that’s meant to inform voting public. So it’s coming from us Wyoming Knights, no special interests, just you know, outdoors people that want to protect their public lands. And we want to talk to voters before the election to say, hey, this is what this person has voted for in the past, this is what they say that their stance on this issue is, and we think you should know that before you go to the ballot box.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of your traditional you know, five H one C three groups, they can talk about what issues are important in an election, and they can ask you to sort of vote on behalf of conservation, but they can’t get involved in saying this candidate did this, this candidate is is a better choice if you care about public lands. That’s correct, right, correct?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And we’re not, just to clarify, we’re not coordinating with any party or you know, any candidate or their campaign, which is really important for us. You know, we’re nonpartisan, and we just want people to be aware of our core issues, which are one, public lands in public hands, no questions about that. To public wildlife. We’re really opposed to transferable landowner tags or any privatization of wildlife in Wyoming, and three scientific management of wildlife. Politicians should not be in charge of wildlife populations. Biologists should be.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about the landowner tag issue. I know there is a proposal or there is a proposal. I haven’t really kept up on it, but this is an issue that pops up every now and then in different states, and I wonder if you can talk about what the status is in Wyoming.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the first attempt was about ten years ago to make landowner tags transferable, so as it is in Wyoming. Now, you know, if you’re a landowner, you have more than one hundred and sixty acres and you can, you know, prove that you have a lot of wildlife on your land, then you can get a few an appropriate amount of landowner tags, but you cannot sell those to anyone. There are a lot of opportunities for landowners to make money from hunting indirectly, namely trespassed leases, you know, and they can control access for hunters, and they can get damage from wildlife hurt in their crops. But again, no tag is transferable. But we’ve seen legislation ten years ago and then more recently this last year, that would allow landowners to sell those tags off.
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Speaker 6: Can I jump in and ask you a question totally those landowner tags. Would they be good only on that landowner’s land? Are they good like unit wide like they utilize. Someone could buy them and then go hunt on public land or wherever with them.
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Speaker 1: It’s for the area. Now you know, the State of Winman Gave and Fish Department has issued tags for specific properties essentially where there’s like an let’s say, an alfalfa field in the middle of the big worn basin and there’s you know, four hundred head of you know, pronghorn there. They’ve issued special tags for damage mitigation, but generally this is not to do with damage. This is people being able to sell ELK licenses for ten thousand dollars or twenty thousand dollars whatever, And it completely circumvents the draw system. It doesn’t put money in the state system at all. It just you know, lines the pockets of large landowners who want to sell off all their tags. And we’ve already seen so much landowner captures. For instance, I hunted a pronghorn area in northern Wyoming this fall in all because we’ve had a lot of issues with blue tongue. You know, we superduce pronghorn numbers, all the type one tags in that all the rifle tags in that area are our go to landowners. Already, I had to get a Hype zero muzzleoader tag in order to have a chance to hunt a male prong horn.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so when the tag numbers get shrunk, that that pool of landowner tags doesn’t shrink in proportion. It just eats up more of the pie.
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Speaker 1: Correct, gotcha, But I mean there’s already you know that landowner capture of tags is another issue in the current system, which is not perfect. But what we’re taking a political stance on is that these tags should not be transferable. And we think it goes across against state law which says that wildlife is in the position of the people of Wyoming, not individual property.
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Speaker 9: It is actually a Title twenty three and in law in Wyoming right now that says there shouldn’t be private ownership of wildlife. So in essence, that’s already in law. I just think there’s things happening on the state level that there’s a certain subgroup of people that want to privatize it for for profit.
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Speaker 2: So gotcha. And this is a this is a pack that you said it’s non partisan, it’s going to be grassroots funded. There’s obviously a lot of money in politics. What’s your strategy for making an impact with with grassroots funding and what I assume would be maybe more limited resources than some of the bigger stakeholders out there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we have to be really strategic in how we spend money that we raise, So we don’t know which candidates are running until the May filing deadline. So well, at that point, you know, see what kind of war chests we have and see what races we can really make an impact in. But generally state wide races aren’t as expensive as federal ones, and so with grassroots funding, we can still make a sizable impact and focus on key legislative races and hopefully raise enough money to get involved in the governor’s race, because the governor is going to be it’s gonna be a very competitive race this year, we believe. Again we don’t know who all is running, but the governor has a lot to say about, you know, public lands and wildlife policy and Wyoming.
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Speaker 2: Gotcha, And I’m gonna detour here from the questions that I’d shared with you and ask you this. You both mentioned that this is your first sort of foray into politics. If there are people listening to this that don’t like what’s going on in their state, they’re frustrated by what they see in their state legislature, have you learned anything or have your eyes been open to the reality of getting involved in something like this, Like what advice would you give for people that are in the position that you were, you know, last last legislative session.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it’s eye opening to see the disconnect between what I, you know, would argue like most people value in Wyoming, Like regardless where you are on the political spectrum, most people highly value.
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Speaker 2: Public lands, in public wildlife.
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Speaker 1: And to see now you know, paying closer attention to what’s happened in the legislature is there’s so few sportsmen in the legislature right, so few people hunt, fish, rock climb whatever, you know. They they do not value those activities because they do not do them. I and a lot of those people are not even from this state. They’ve moved here recently and have political ambitions, and so that’s been really eye opening to me. You just see like how we’re not being represented well in Cheyenne by and large. And I would encourage people to get involved in any way, right, whether that’s simply showing up to town hall, talking to your representatives first and foremost, learning who your representatives are. A lot of people when they think about politics, they think about politics at the federal level or maybe the governor’s race, but they’re not thinking about their local representatives. And those folks in Cheyenne or Helena or whatever often have a greater impact on your ability to hunt, fish and re create than than you know, the President of the United States does. So educate yourself about what’s going on at the state level, at the local level, and then see, you know, we all have we’re working people, so we we have limited time and resources, and see where you know, you can make an impact. And we would argue that you know, supporting you know a pack is has a direct impact because we could get involved in election and we can show you where we’re spending your money and you know, hopefully elect people who are going to stand up for our land.
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Speaker 9: Warned life, gotcha, Well yeah, Randall, I’d probably piggyback off Zach there just real quick. On the website front, we got a great website, but it’s a I think we need to I think it’s easy to get to the ballot box and see those big names and pick the big name the big names on the ballot, but I think it’s some of these local races have kind of been put on the back burner because you don’t know who it is or what they’re about. So with our pack and our website, we really want to showcase who you know, who supports and who opposes public plans.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, education is huge. You mentioned the website. Is that the best place for people to go if they want to learn more about protect Wyoming Pack?
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Speaker 9: I would say yes, And then we do have a newsletter coming out that people if they want to connect with us, they can connect to the website and then get linked up with the newsletter about what’s going on and just stay factionable on what’s what’s happening with the legislator.
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Speaker 2: Well, Chris Zach, we really appreciate it you guys joining us, and we appreciate what you’re doing for for hunters and anglers in Wyoming and setting up an example for folks across the country who want to get involved. Thank you, Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Yep, we got to get some more, uh. I mean I’m always like inspired when I see people just deciding to do something.
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Speaker 4: Go out and try and kick some ass.
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Speaker 2: Yeah whatever, you know, whatever your commitments are here there, like to actually get off your ass and do something. So that’s that’s commendable. I hope that they see some success there. Yep. Our next segment is fake News, the News at Tape and rush Shop.
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Speaker 6: He talk tape balloon.
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Speaker 7: Don’t get to lay about Steve.
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Speaker 6: It’s the best shot than down this. So is that so this opportunity come wants that for a few weeks.
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Speaker 8: You can do anything you set your minds to. Guys, except like.
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Speaker 6: My two boys would be deeply upset by what you just did to that song.
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Speaker 8: That is that one of the favorites in the house right now.
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Speaker 2: It is It is amazing, what a what a cultural touch point that is. I mean Clay Newcombe knows the words to that.
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Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, my oldest went through a went through a phase with that song a couple of years ago.
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Speaker 2: To Clay Nucombe was reciting the words to that on the live tour before his al hooting contest. Yeah, I mean, mom, spaghetti and everything.
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Speaker 8: I’d say, I’d say in the grand scheme of the hip hop landscape, that is like pretty clean for for Clay’s Newcombe scale.
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Speaker 2: So I can drop my chair a little bit now you’re centered, alrighty, Well, you know the rules here, Uh, let me bring them up again so that I can read them to you. Fake news is where I read a series of headlines in which a real one is hiding among three impostors. Your job is to fix your figure out which one is true.
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Speaker 4: So this is two lies in one truth, not two truths in one line.
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Speaker 2: This is a multiple choice.
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Speaker 8: Got three lies?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we’ll start. We’ll go one at a time, one headline at a time. Here, So Phil, can you bring up the first headline? I’d love to A three legged blank has learned to hunt in a completely unexpected way? Is it a grizzly bear, a wolf, a lion, or a man in Tennessee? Well, now there’s three legged bears, wolves and lions all over them. But have they learned to hunt a completely unexpected way?
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Speaker 8: Before we answer this?
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Speaker 4: Five years ago? Was it five? I shot a three legged black bear in Colorado?
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Speaker 2: That was huge. I almost did two years ago, and then her little cub came out. But I like shanks, so I wasn’t gonna impact.
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Speaker 4: That’s gonna impact my man.
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Speaker 2: A three legged blank has learned to hunt in a completely unexpected way. Now, the conceit of this game is that unless you’ve seen this newspaper article, there’s no way to make any sort of an educated guess here.
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Speaker 3: True, I could see it.
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Speaker 2: Multiple three legged folks coming in from Tennessee. I’m gonna Okay, okay, gotta really hammer down here. Let’s go what kind of lion? African lion?
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Speaker 4: Mufassa?
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Speaker 8: See you deliberately disobeyed me.
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Speaker 2: Well, we’ve got our answers. Yep, Brody says, see lion, Cory says, be wolf. Let’s go. We’ve got a correct answer the room. The answer is see lion. Oh, come on. Per New scientist Jacob, an eleven year old lion and Queen Elizabeth National Park Uganda, made headlines last year when he and his brother were filmed swimming one point five kilometers across the crocodile filled river. The animal lost a leg in a poacher’s snare, but has managed to adopt an ambush style hunting strategy resembling that of leopards. Researchers who were puzzled by Jacob’s continued survival made the discovery via drone footage.
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Speaker 4: Did he lose a back leg or a front leg?
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Speaker 2: Phil pull up that picture?
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Speaker 4: Ye, because that really impacts things back left?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I could see it, Yeah, I could see it working.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was kind of interesting. They’re saying that they don’t see too many examples of animals adopting completely new strategies like that their species doesn’t otherwise demonstrate, and so you know, it’s it raises questions for them in terms of like behavioral adaptation.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the black bear I shot had lost his front left leg.
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Speaker 2: And that line’s also missing an eye. I tried to work that in, but then I just figured.
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Speaker 3: I’d add that man cat’s a wicked smot.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Phil, can we have our second headline? So Brody’s up one nothing geez. Generations of bearded vultures stashed humans treasures, including a six hundred and fifty year old blank in these bird nests? Is it a sandal?
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Speaker 7: Are they collecting these things from corpses?
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Speaker 2: I don’t know. Actually, that’s an unanswerable question. Generations of bearded vultures stashed humans treasures, including a six hundred and fifty year old blank in these birds nest? Your choices are Is it a sandal, is.
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Speaker 8: It an urn?
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Speaker 2: Is it a pipe? Or is it a knife? Do you guys ever come across a vulture nest? I came across one. I think it was an Illinois and it was like on the side of a cliff.
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Speaker 3: I could hear like a light screeching caught my attention.
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Speaker 2: And so I looked in and there was a just bones and hair and poop everywhere, and there was one little small baby vulture in there, like bouncing up and down. It didn’t look real. Bones and hair and poop everywhere. Sounds like the mudroom when I leave my dogs there for a long day.
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Speaker 4: Did you put your answer down yet, Corey? No, I know what I want to put down, but I can’t.
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Speaker 3: Six and fifty year old sandal.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be an old sandal, but it also be an old urn. It’s not really a treasure. No ooh, flip him over, boys, yet, Brody’s still thinking. He’s still thinking based on all of the available information, not trivia, Brody, what’s your answer here?
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Speaker 4: My answer is a pipe?
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Speaker 2: A pipe, and Corey says, d a knife, where the correct answer is a sandal.
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Speaker 4: That’s treasure.
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Speaker 2: Per Smithsonian Magazine, Archaeologists in Southern Spain recently recovered more than two hundred human artifacts from historical bearded vulture nests in Southern Spain. I rewrote that sentence and didn’t delete Southern Spain, so that’s where that’s there’s a redundancy. One of the most remarkable finds is a six hundred and fifty year old sandal made from woven twigs and grasses, according to study published last month in the journal Ecology. This is where it gets interesting. Bearded vultures have been extinct in southern Spain for seventy to one hundred and thirty years, depending on the specific region. But while the birds have disappeared from the area, their well preserved nests can still be found there, often tucked into protected hidden spaces in the mountains.
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Speaker 4: I think it came off of corpse.
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Speaker 2: That would be fun. That would be fun, Phil. Can we get a third headline? Please? Oh?
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Speaker 8: We sure can.
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Speaker 2: Bolivian river dolphins sometimes dangle blank in their mouths and scientists don’t know why? Is it their offspring Ana conda’s tree branches or discarded rope?
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Speaker 3: This is a global fake news segment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bolivian river dolphins sometimes dangle blank in their mouths and scientists don’t know why? Is it their offspring ana condas, tree branches or discarded rope?
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Speaker 3: I can easily get rid of two of those, So.
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Speaker 2: Pretty fly for a white guy. Yeah. I was gonna say this background tense fill, the most violent, the most violent mosh pit. I ever participated in? Was it an offspring show? We had big pizzas that they’re given out for free, and you’d throw them on the ground and it was like a big banana peel. So you just push like five people into it and it all flip.
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Speaker 4: Did you from that whole thing bloodied?
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Speaker 1: Uh?
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Speaker 2: No, I was unscathed, but there were many good men we lost that day. You got an answer, Corey, Yeah, you know it.
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Speaker 8: Do you know what the lead singer, Dexter Gordon I think is his name Dexter something he’s got like a doctritt in chemistry or something like that. Wow, he’s an educated man.
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Speaker 2: The name like that. Yeah, you bet that’s the best thing we have on this show today. Corey’s got an answer. Cory says, hey, their offspring. Brodie says d discarded rope. The correct answers an a Conda’s Oh come on, this is yeah. I know it’s hard to guess these when you don’t have any information.
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Speaker 8: It’s almost like it’s a flawed game.
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Speaker 2: This one comes from a question. Well, I think that’s what’s fun about it.
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Speaker 1: It is fun.
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Speaker 2: We’re basically just rolling rolling a die and seeing it comes up with. So this one comes from uh ZME Science, and I’m just going to read a few sentences from their article because it’s written in a very funny way. Imagine the excitement of biologists from the nol Kemp Mercado Museum of Natural History during one seemingly uneventful day in August twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 4: Really building it up.
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Speaker 2: That day, they saw not one but two Bolivian river dolphins with their heads above the river. But that was really nothing compared to what they noticed next. Taking out their cameras to snap some quick photos of this extraordinarily rare sighting, the researchers could now see that the two dolphins were holding an anaconda in their beaks, handling it like it was a plush toy. This was absolutely shocking to members of the teams. It’s safe to say something like this had never been witnessed, or at least this is the first time it was documented. Bolivian’s benny anaconda’s are apex predators, meaning no one messes with them. Apart from a single case of cannibalism, no one had ever seen Bolivian anaconda’s getting killed or eaten by any other wild animal. Uh happened once.
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Speaker 6: How did they know that they killed it? They could have just flound it floating dead.
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Speaker 2: It was alive when they started. Well, they said they they said they messed with it for like six to eight minutes, picking it up out of the water and then diving down holding it in their beaks, and they just were like their assumption is that they were playing with it, but that it ended up well.
00:31:18
Speaker 6: Playing with stuff is like well documented behavior from dolphins. Like I’ve seen dolphins mess with redfish and throw them back and forth. I’ve seen them kill tarpin just for fun and then leave them.
00:31:30
Speaker 2: But this behind an apex predator, meaning no one messes with them in their ecosystem.
00:31:36
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:31:37
Speaker 2: Well, Brody squeezed the fun out of that question by a score of one to nothing.
00:31:43
Speaker 4: Don’t find it that remarkable, Randall.
00:31:46
Speaker 2: Congratulations Brody. Let’s see Phil. How’s the Chat doing today. It’s been a scintillating program so far.
00:31:57
Speaker 8: It sure has the chat at questions from the Chat today, So get those in your chances.
00:32:02
Speaker 6: Are because if they’re not questions, that means there’s comments looking scary numbers.
00:32:07
Speaker 8: Oh no, most most people are still talking about phills with a sector my vasectomy. They’re asking Randall about beating off a mountain lion, which, if you haven’t listened to last episode of the media podcast, check that out. But I want to shut that shout out Brad Weber, who says, Hey, thanks to you and the team or for the shout out to our bunny hunting group last week. It brought us great luck, thirty rabbits and a bonus raccoon day enjoying host.
00:32:29
Speaker 2: I wish we got more of that. I wish we got like, hey, we’re going to this good luck and then a follow up. Yeah, that’s great. Then we’d have a better sense of our ability to confer luck on the audience.
00:32:40
Speaker 8: We could just pivot the idea of the show completely. It could just kind of be like a.
00:32:43
Speaker 2: Phil I’ve been rethinking the whole thing well from the ground up.
00:32:48
Speaker 8: We’ll see how that pans out. Uh, Free Crank asks Brody, did you see the Pennsylvania Game Commission wants to change hunting season in Pa again. They want to possibly move the opening day of Rifle to the week before Thanksgiving.
00:32:59
Speaker 6: You know, my dad just sent that to me this very morning, and uh, I think it will be like if they made that change, I think it would be very unpopular to like have Thanksgiving in the middle.
00:33:13
Speaker 2: Of deer season.
00:33:15
Speaker 6: They changed they They recently changed opening day of rifle season from the Monday after Thanksgiving to the Saturday after Thanksgiving, which you would think would have been a popular move, but a lot of people hated it. So I think backing it up a week and sticking a national holiday in the middle of deer season would be unpopular.
00:33:35
Speaker 2: That’s my thoughts.
00:33:38
Speaker 8: Thank you, Brody. Yeah, we had a comment from Valancourt that was quickly followed up from by somebody else. He says, any hot tips or advice on the best way to prepare marmot and then I don’t remember who, someone said watch out for the plague, because apparently that’s a real thing. Yeah.
00:33:52
Speaker 2: I’m not endorsing this practice, but I would have to guess some sort of a slow cook listen fall off the bone marmot clubs.
00:33:59
Speaker 6: The traditional way is to uh and we’re gonna you know, we’re gonna try this for the last cookbook we did, the Outdoor Cookbook. There are cultures that just like cook them inside their like with the hair on and everything.
00:34:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, try that.
00:34:15
Speaker 6: But I shot a couple of Mormon marmots that did not shoot a couple Mormons, I promise. I shot a couple of marmots years ago in Colorado, and they were the hardest thing to skin I have ever tried to skin, like covered in greasy fat, like you know how squirrels are hard to skin, hard to get that hide off.
00:34:36
Speaker 4: And I will never eat another marmot again.
00:34:41
Speaker 6: But good luck to you if you tried dipping it, just like put it in a crock pot for about thirty six hours.
00:34:48
Speaker 2: And maybe with like a buffalo wing preparation.
00:34:53
Speaker 8: Lots of barbecue shells.
00:34:55
Speaker 2: Please keep us updated. Valancourt.
00:34:57
Speaker 8: Yeah, we got Christy Holmes and the chat saying me and thirty six ladies are going smelting tomorrow and Maine. She was on one minute fishing last winter.
00:35:06
Speaker 4: We’s us lucky. Yeah, good luck, oh fried smelt. That’s a lot of good.
00:35:11
Speaker 2: That’s a lot of ladies. I assume that’s not a typo. Me and thirty I don’t think I’ve ever done anything.
00:35:18
Speaker 4: It’s a real social thing.
00:35:20
Speaker 2: Like thirty six people.
00:35:22
Speaker 4: Brodie, Well, we should go there and go smelting with these things.
00:35:27
Speaker 2: Best of luck to you, Christy, Please keep us updated.
00:35:29
Speaker 8: Yeah, Mogor is in the chat, Hi Randall, will there be a movie review segment in the future, Chin scratching emoji. It’s been a very long time since the last one. Thank you for your answer, Mogor.
00:35:42
Speaker 2: I would love to do another movie review segment, to be honest, our schedule has been a bit.
00:35:47
Speaker 1: Uh.
00:35:49
Speaker 2: There’s been a lot of uncertainty around who’s handling what around the holiday, and we’ve had a sort of quickly you know, long story short, we’re a little behind eight pall, But I will get a movie review going here soon and it’s gonna it’s gonna blow everything else that I’ve done previously out of the water.
00:36:08
Speaker 4: Allowed the chat to choose the movie you.
00:36:11
Speaker 8: Review, Uh get a lot of record.
00:36:14
Speaker 2: I have a question for the chat, would uh do you think Congo? The movie Congo is a good meat eater movie club movie. It’s not really hunting, but they’re animals and some of them do die most actually, if you haven’t seen the movie, they all die at the end. Let us know.
00:36:36
Speaker 8: Well, we wait for those results to file in. We’ve got a question from Seth anyone else Mixed organ meets with their ground. I was contemplating doing a one to ten ratio adding some livery to my burger meat. Would that be a mistake?
00:36:48
Speaker 2: No, I mean I’ve never done it, but it sounds like something that in countries where they make a lot of interesting sausages. It sounds like something.
00:36:57
Speaker 4: Then sure, I don’t see why it wouldn’t work. I’ve thrown like cart and with my burger grind before.
00:37:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, good way to save and utilize the liver. Eat that herd on its own though, would be mine. Yeah, that’s so good, but the liver, Yeah, toss it in there.
00:37:12
Speaker 8: Cool, do one more before you too. Wait, next guest, this is from Blaine. I’ve been looking for Teddy Roosevelt documentary to read. I think he means biography, but there are so many to choose from. You guys, have any advice on the best one, rand.
00:37:26
Speaker 2: I think the the the new classic is uh, Douglas Brinkley Wilderness Warrior. There’s another one, Theodore Rex.
00:37:38
Speaker 6: That’s that’s like toom that’s like a wilderness Warrior is like a brick man. Yeah, I think while Randall’s thinking about an actual biography, if you want something a little lighter, that’s like a real fun read and it has a lot of adventure and craziness in it.
00:37:55
Speaker 2: Read River of Doubt. Oh yeah, Canvas it’s a very cool.
00:37:59
Speaker 6: It’s like post Teddy’s Presidency where he’s like bumming because he’s getting old and he wants to do one last adventure and he goes to look for the source of a river.
00:38:09
Speaker 4: In the Amazon.
00:38:10
Speaker 2: It’s super cool. Yeah, Edmund Morris, Theodore Rex. And then I’m sure, what’s the name of the guy that writes biographies of everybody?
00:38:23
Speaker 4: I know exactly who you’re talking about.
00:38:25
Speaker 2: I can’t think of his name. Yeah, there’s a lot out there. I think. Then Brinkley the Wilderness Warrior really focuses on his conservation legacy. And if that’s what gets you interested, I checked that one out.
00:38:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, is everyone called the Rough Riders?
00:38:44
Speaker 2: Am I just making that up? I’m sure there’s a book called The Rough Riders. Google’s failing me, Randal.
00:38:52
Speaker 8: There’s no way you have not seen this movie based on the director in the cast. But someone suggested the Legacy of a White Tail Deer Hunter, which is a Jody Hill movie.
00:39:00
Speaker 2: You know what, I really wanted to do that, and I thought it would be fun to get if it’s the one I’m thinking of, it’s it’s a movie about Is this the one about the guy who has the TV show?
00:39:13
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, yeah, Josh Brolin’s in it, Carrie Coon.
00:39:16
Speaker 2: I thought Dan mcrid I thought it would be really funny to do that with Steve and Giannis and like ask them about oh, sure, you know the the overlap. But they both summarily rejected that out of hand because it’s one of those things they’re too close to it to even enjoy it.
00:39:33
Speaker 8: So that’s that’s the that’s the whole point.
00:39:36
Speaker 2: I don’t want to be in a room with Steve getting grouchy again already.
00:39:40
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, you should do that Buffalo Hunter Nicholas Cage movie.
00:39:48
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Steve was.
00:39:51
Speaker 6: Kind we should do that one tangentially and like just like yeah, kind of a little bit at one involved with the name of that one.
00:40:00
Speaker 2: Let’s do that. Let’s do that one.
00:40:02
Speaker 6: I forget what it’s called, but I’ve been meaning like, yeah, I mean, and check it out. Butcher’s crossing, Yeah.
00:40:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, Butcher’s crossing. Well, I think we’ve got a I think we’ve got through our question and answer segment here because Mark Kenyon has been waiting very patiently on the line.
00:40:17
Speaker 8: Yeah. I told him he could leave and come back later.
00:40:19
Speaker 2: And now, oh, I’m looking at our schedule. We’re way behind. I don’t know how we did that because we only had two segments.
00:40:26
Speaker 4: Oh listen, we always.
00:40:27
Speaker 2: Go not again. Next up, we’re joined by Mark Kenyon, who recently became Meat Eaters Director of Conservation. Mark, it’s good to see you. Welcome to the show.
00:40:38
Speaker 8: Thanks, Randall. It’s great to be here.
00:40:40
Speaker 2: It was.
00:40:40
Speaker 5: It was more painful than anything having to sit here and hear you guys talk about book recommendations and not be able to speak.
00:40:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, please chime in. Do you have a do you have a favorite tr biography?
00:40:52
Speaker 5: Well, like Brody said, the iconic one is The Wilderness Warrior, but it is a huge, you know, doorstop of a book. A couple lighter reading versions. It’ll get you some interesting insight with some adventure along the way. Would be Leave It as it Is by David Gesner. That’s an interesting one that pairs a travel narrative with kind of an exploration of Roosevelt and kind of wrestling with his legacy. And then another one is The Naturalist, and that takes a look at Roosevelt’s conservation legacy, and from a slightly more I mean, as the title would suggest, not as much on the hunting side, but a little bit more about his background as an amateur naturalist, burder all those different things early on in his life, and then how that kind of came along with him. So those are two easier reading options to consider.
00:41:42
Speaker 2: Clearly we should have just pulled you in earlier in this discussion, but I’m glad that I’m glad that our faithful listeners have finally gotten you to weigh in on that mark. If folks are paying attention to the news lately, they know that you are the newest Meat Eater director of concert. You inherit your your position from a worthy man in Ryan Callahan, who’s moved on to become the CEO at BHA. Can you tell us what it means to be the director of conservation at a company like Meat Eater.
00:42:16
Speaker 8: It’s it’s a huge honor.
00:42:18
Speaker 5: It’s something that I’m just really really thankful to get to do. It’s the kind of warp that I’ve been dreaming of and working towards for a really long time. I think most people Immediator know me from what brought me in, which was my whitetail passion and of course wired to hunt and all those things. But parallel to all that, I’ve had this growing desire to find ways that I can make a difference on the conservation side, and so that’s led me to tackle all sorts of side hustle projects like writing my books about public lands and wildlife, and you know, doing increasingly new things within the mediator world, whether that’s you know, founding the Working for Wildlife tour or representing us with the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership at events, and all sorts of different things. So it’s been a long time coming. It worked out really great that, you know, Cal was moving on to even bigger and better things, and me and him had worked together on so much over the last few years that this is a pretty natural thing to step into. And I’m just really excited because I’m on fire about it, and there’s a great need at the moment too, So I’m excited to continue to build off this great conservation you know foundation that Cal and Steve and and really the whole team is built over the years.
00:43:31
Speaker 2: And what are the types of things like week to maybe not day to day, but week to week sort of what what is that role and compass in terms of like who are you talking to, what are you doing, what are you working towards.
00:43:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there’s a lot of different things that it’s going to entail. I think on one hand, there’s like the long term strategy, which is thinking about how do we at Mediator strategically rally our resources and our voice and our platform to work towards better conservation outcomes. So sometimes that’s reacting to a bad piece of legislation. How do we educate everyone who’s listening to us, how do we inspire and activate people to do something about it. How do we use our you know, our funding or our relationships or anything like that to move the needle. On the flip side, then it’s thinking about how do we think about conservation storytelling and the content we do and thinking, you know, a long ways out where are we needed on that front? And then kind of on a day to day basis, it’s making sure that you know, we at Mediator are tapped into what’s happening, whether it be you know, on the wildlife management side of things, or the public land side of things, or the million different news bites that are popping up every day, understanding what’s happening, talking to our conservation partners, talking to contacts you know, in Washington, d C. Or in state capitals, and figuring out what are the issues that are impacting hunters and anglers and wildlife and wild places and is you know, any one of those things something that we should be engaging in, whether that be just with you know, us educating, or us doing some other things too.
00:45:07
Speaker 2: So that’s a little bit of what’s going to look like.
00:45:10
Speaker 5: We’ll be doing more content, more news, more education, and then I think what I’m really excited about is finding ways to help not just us at the company, but our entire community more actively engage. How do we actually like get boots on the ground and do good things for wildlife and wild places. How do we show up in person to make sure that public lands stay in public hands? How do how do we do these things in really concrete ways. I think that’s been a trademark of Meta in many ways, and you know, whether it be our content, storytelling, cookbooks. So how do we continue to do that on the conservation front, maybe in bolder ways than we ever have?
00:45:52
Speaker 2: Well, I know everybody here is excited to have you in that role because it’s a great fit and looking forward to seeing what you do there. But we brought you on TOTO to talk about another bit of news and another person who is nominated for a new job here. And it’s sort of been flying under the radar, but recently there’s been some attention pointed to the administration’s nomination of Steve Pierce to direct the Bureau of Land Management, and there’s a bit of controversy around it. Can you tell us a little bit about this individual and maybe what’s at stake with the nomination, Like what does the BLM director do and who’s the guy that might have that job.
00:46:34
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I’ll give you a very short answer to the first part of that, and then we can dive in further if you want. But the Director of the Bureau of Land Management oversees a massive swath of our federal public lands. It’s it’s somewhere in the you know, somewhere between two hundred and forty and two hundred and fifty million acres of our public lands are managed by this person. He gets to spearhead how resource management plans are put into the ground and developed, So what actually happens on this landscape. This person will oversee and approve or rescind the rules that this organization makes really important things that dictate, you know, how we manage these landscapes, how we extract resources from them, how we utilize them and allow others to utilize them, whether that’s for extraction or grazing, or recreation or conservation. This is the person that you know, part of what the BLM has done the past and other land managing agencies is they assess the lands that they manage and they determine if those are appropriate lands for disposal. Even that’s something that does happen, that’s something that this person could do. So whoever sits in this seat has wide authority over a big chunk of ground that you know, hunters and anglers really care about. I mean, this is some of our very best pronghorn hunting, mule deer hunting, elk hunting, sage, grouse habitat, all sorts of grouse habitat. This is big, wide open, beautiful country a lot of us hold dear. So, yeah, this is a pretty important job. And there are some red flags right now about Steve Pierce because of you know, not just one thing.
00:48:12
Speaker 8: He said.
00:48:12
Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, it’s easy these days, in the era of cancel culture, if you say one thing wrong right, it’d be pretty easy to get in big trouble for just saying one thing wrong. Steve Pierce has had a long legacy of saying many things that don’t come off too well when it comes to public lands. A lot of statements, a lot of letters, and actual support of legislation in his previous jobs that do not bode well for someone in this position. So he was a congressman from he was a congressman twice from two thousand and three to two thousand and nine I believe, and eleven to nineteen in the state of New Mexico. And over the course of that timeframe multiple instances where he’s spoken about how the federal government should own lands, how federal public lands should be sold off, how the land estate should be shrunk. He co authored a letter to the Speaker of the House back in twenty twelve, I think it was pushing for the sale of public lands. He co sponsored a bill that would sell public lands. He supported the Jason Chavez twenty seventeen bill that would sell off three some million acres of public lands, and just I could go on and on. There’s so many of these examples. So yeah, that is a little bit concerning if somebody who has actively tried to sell off our public lands or actively tried to shrink public lands, if he’s now in charge of them. So at the high level, that’s why this is raising some eyebrows.
00:49:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean it seems very clear that it’s like a fox in the hen House situation potentially. How have conservation groups reacted to this news. I believe he was nominated at the end of last year and his point or his confirmation here are still forthcoming. But what’s what’s the word on the street right now from folks that care about public lands and fish and wildlife.
00:50:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, it has been you know, as you would expect, a lot of concern, a lot of people raising the same points that I just did. The fox and the Henhouse analogy is perfect.
00:50:18
Speaker 2: A group of.
00:50:19
Speaker 5: Eighty or so environmental and conservation organizations sent a letter to the leaders of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee just recently expressing, you know, serious concerns along the lines of what I’ve just mentioned.
00:50:34
Speaker 8: So, yeah, there’s a lot of pushback.
00:50:37
Speaker 5: Our good buddy cal He has been sounding the alarm at bat Country Hunters and Anglers. I know he was just in DC recently talking to folks about this as well. So, yeah, I think the alarm is being wrong. I think there is reason to you know, you want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt if he gets the job, but I would like him to do so if that’s going to happen, and with some commitments on the record to not do and to not pursue some of the ideas that he’s voiced support.
00:51:07
Speaker 2: For in the past. Yeah, No, that makes total sense. Do you know if there’s if there’s a confirmation hearing scheduled, and then you know, in the meantime, how can people make a difference if they want to weigh in on this.
00:51:22
Speaker 5: So the hearing has not been announced yet, but it seems like it’s imminent. You know, everyone’s talking about it happening sometime soon. And I think what we can do about it is is let our here.
00:51:36
Speaker 2: Here’s the thing.
00:51:36
Speaker 5: From everything I understand and from everyone I’ve talked to, it’s very very unlikely that his approval, his nomination will not be approved. He’s likely going to get the job. So then the question is, well, are we wasting our time raising a stink about it because he’s going to get the job no matter what, So why are we why are we going to use those resources? And what it seems that the play here seems to be that in this nomination hearing, he has to stand up in front of everyone and answer questions under oath about what his plans are, what his views are, what the direction of this is going to be, and he’s going to have to answer for his past statements and actions as well. And so what we as hunters and anglers and people who care about these places can do is we can ask our senators, especially if they sit on the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, who will get to be a part of that. We can ask them to ask these tough questions. We can explain to them why this matters to us in whatever state you live in, and why it’s important that if Steve Pierce gets this job, in this job interview that he’s going to effectively be on, he’s got to answer for some of these stuff. So BHA has done a really cool and easy thing that for anyone wants to participate and they can If you go to Backcountry Hunters and Angler’s Instagram account, there’s a link to send in what you think your senators should ask him during this job, and he gives you a couple three four suggested questions, or you can ask your own. But this is just how we would want to press him. What we would like this guy to have to answer to on the record and provide some explanation for so things like you know, what will you do to ensure public lands stay in public hands or aren’t sold or transferred. I would love for him to have to answer that question on the record, and hopefully we can get some commitments, some guarantees from him publicly that he won’t pursue those things. Same thing goes for many other questions related to how you know the BLM will balance conservation.
00:53:37
Speaker 2: With resource extraction.
00:53:40
Speaker 5: There’s a lot of concerns there, so we probably can’t stop it, but we might be able to frame the conversation around his role and his taking that role in such a way that it can maybe at least put some public pressure on him and keep him and keep things from going as badly as maybe they could, and may maybe he’ll turn out great. Maybe the things he said in the past. Uh, maybe feels differently now. I hope so, but we should we should definitely ask him to speak on that publicly and give us some assurances.
00:54:10
Speaker 2: Mark. Really appreciate you taking the time. Folks can follow you to learn more about this and many other issues. And yeah, we’ll keep our eyes on mister Pierce. And yeah, looking forward to seeing what you do in the new roles. Thanks for coming on, appreciate it.
00:54:26
Speaker 5: Hey, Phil, good luck with that vasectomy.
00:54:28
Speaker 8: I had to have two of them.
00:54:29
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that’s right.
00:54:31
Speaker 8: I hope I have a better look than you. Mark. Thank you. I think I think they’ll make a difference. You’re there, fingers crossed for a pill.
00:54:39
Speaker 2: Take care, Mark, We’ll see. Thanks.
00:54:41
Speaker 1: Mark.
00:54:41
Speaker 4: Seems like an opportunity for a malpractice suit.
00:54:46
Speaker 2: I don’t think it’s as rare as as you’d like to think. All right, guys, again, we’re geez, we’re just running behind time, but that’s because we’re having so much fun. And our next segment is meat poll.
00:55:00
Speaker 6: Are you sure about that?
00:55:01
Speaker 8: It’s a meat Eat Radio Live fu.
00:55:08
Speaker 2: Oh that’s right. We’re doing something brand new today. For the very first time, we’ve lied to one of the hosts in the studio about what we’re doing. We’re actually gonna play do a segment called meat Theater. Brodie, I’m passing out scripts now. I don’t know if you saw the last Meat Theater. I’ll explain it in just one second. I get filled his script. There you go film.
00:55:39
Speaker 8: Oh thanks, Randall, appreciate it all right, this is awesome.
00:55:43
Speaker 2: I heard rumors about this, but well, O. Meat theater is where we take out Stunn. Sorry, I’ll begin again. Meat theater is where we take outstanding hunting literature and feeded it artificial intelligence, asking the computer to generate a short traumatic script to be perform live by untrained actors. For today’s performance, we’re revisiting another classic Ernest Hemingway story, the nineteen fifty two novella The Old Man in the Sea. Director’s note. I had to ask the AI to revise its original script to include a speaking part for the fish, so we had three roles. Yes. Then I asked the AI to make the fish use a lot of profanity. But then I thought better of it, and nasty AI to replace those swear words with some tamer nineteen fifties alternatives, so that this would all be very realistic. I’m playing Santiago the fisherman.
00:56:34
Speaker 1: Uh.
00:56:35
Speaker 4: I really apologize to everyone for this.
00:56:38
Speaker 2: This is a fan favor. Brody, Corey, you’re playing Mandolin, who’s a small boy. So I’d like you to speak in the highest voice you can. And Brody, you’re playing the fish. Isn’t that exciting? Lucky, very exciting, Phil, take it away.
00:56:57
Speaker 4: I’ll just bide my time until you get to me.
00:57:02
Speaker 8: The setting is Cuba, the nineteen fifties. Santiago is an old fisherman. He has gone eighty four days without catching a fish. Manelin, a local boy, helps him prepare his fishing lines in the early dawn outside his small shack.
00:57:20
Speaker 7: That’s you, Corey, eighty four days, Santiago. My father says, I must fish in another boat. I know, but you are still the best fisherman.
00:57:31
Speaker 2: You taught me everything. Your father is right. A boy should be with a lucky boat.
00:57:37
Speaker 7: Luck is a thing that comes in many forms.
00:57:39
Speaker 2: Tomorrow you will catch a fish. I can feel it. Perhaps tomorrow I will go far out beyond all the others. I wish I could go with you, but you are with another boat now. But bring me sardines for bait in the morning, and we will speak of baseball.
00:57:57
Speaker 7: Tamaggio’s street continues.
00:57:59
Speaker 2: Of course he is a great man, even with the bone spur in his heel. He plays. Do you think we are that great? Medoline?
00:58:06
Speaker 7: I think you are.
00:58:10
Speaker 8: How’s that it’s great? The next morning, before dawn, Santiago went far out to sea alone.
00:58:21
Speaker 2: I’m not religious, but I will say ten our fathers, and ten hail Mary’s. If I can catch a fish, I promise.
00:58:29
Speaker 8: He feels a pull on the line.
00:58:30
Speaker 2: There something not yet.
00:58:33
Speaker 8: Wait, wait, suddenly the line jerks ah, a big one. Santiago struggles with the line, trying to pull in his catch.
00:58:41
Speaker 2: He will not come up, too heavy, too strong. Come up, fish, please come up.
00:58:47
Speaker 4: I will not yie, old cuban cuss.
00:58:50
Speaker 2: Then I will stay with you, brother, however long it takes.
00:58:55
Speaker 6: You are tied to me, old man, as I am tied to you. I pull you north and west away from your home.
00:59:01
Speaker 4: Confound you for hooking me.
00:59:03
Speaker 2: Pull me wherever you wish. I will not let go, you stubborn son of a gun.
00:59:10
Speaker 4: You should just cut the line. I am stronger than you.
00:59:14
Speaker 6: Your hands bleed, old man, you cannot rest. Why intarnation do you not cut.
00:59:19
Speaker 2: This line because you are my brother, because you are the greatest thing I have ever seen.
00:59:27
Speaker 8: The fish pulled the boat northwest. For two days and two nights. Santiago held the line until his hands bled. He could not eat, he could not sleep, but he would not let go.
00:59:40
Speaker 6: You suffer, old man. I feel a line cutting into me, and I know you feel it cutting into you. We are both we are both in pain.
00:59:50
Speaker 2: Get zooks. Yeah, yes, But I was born for this and you were born for.
00:59:57
Speaker 4: This, born for this, dag.
01:00:00
Speaker 8: Why must you kill me?
01:00:02
Speaker 2: I have done nothing to you. You are killing me fish, but you have the right to. Never have I seen anything greater, or more beautiful or more calm than you. Brother. I do not know if I am worthy to kill such a fish, but I will try. I will show you what a man can do and what a man endures.
01:00:23
Speaker 6: Krites and show me, old man, show me, Gosh, darn it, I will not.
01:00:29
Speaker 4: I will show you what a fish can do.
01:00:32
Speaker 2: Come up. I’m an old man, but I am not defeated. Come up, h double hockey sticks.
01:00:39
Speaker 4: I have pulled you far from land.
01:00:41
Speaker 2: I have fought well. You have fought better than any fish I have known.
01:00:46
Speaker 6: And you, old man, have fought better than any man I have ever known. Very well.
01:00:52
Speaker 2: I am coming up.
01:00:53
Speaker 8: G willickers, you have heard this. With one last pull, Santiago brings his catch to the surface.
01:01:04
Speaker 2: Eighteen feet maybe more a thousand pounds at least. There.
01:01:09
Speaker 1: It is done.
01:01:10
Speaker 2: It is done.
01:01:12
Speaker 4: We fought yell well, you and I he gads, we.
01:01:16
Speaker 2: Fought very well. Brother.
01:01:20
Speaker 10: Now now I am tied to your damned boat. You’re taking me home. Yes, the boy will see you. Everyone will see you. They will know what we did together.
01:01:31
Speaker 4: I hope they will, old man, I hope.
01:01:36
Speaker 8: Santiago had killed the fish, but it was too big to bring into the boat. He lashed it to the side and began the long journey home. But the sharks smelled the blood.
01:01:48
Speaker 2: No, no, mako sharks.
01:01:51
Speaker 4: They come for me, old man.
01:01:53
Speaker 2: They will destroy what we have done.
01:01:55
Speaker 4: Goll danged sharks.
01:01:58
Speaker 2: No, I will fight them.
01:02:01
Speaker 8: Santiago strikes at the sharks with his oar.
01:02:04
Speaker 4: Take that and that or coming barnacles. You cannot stop them all.
01:02:12
Speaker 2: I will try, brother, I will try.
01:02:15
Speaker 8: More sharks came. Ope, that’s the wrong camera. More sharks came. Santiago fought them all with harpoon, with knife, with club, with the tiller.
01:02:25
Speaker 2: But there were too many eat you scavengers. Aye, I went out too far. I have ruined us both fish. You did not ruin us.
01:02:36
Speaker 4: Cuss these sharks. We did what we were meant to do.
01:02:40
Speaker 2: You fought. I fought.
01:02:43
Speaker 5: That is enough?
01:02:44
Speaker 2: Is it enough? It is enough.
01:02:50
Speaker 8: By the time Santiago reached the harbor in the dark, the sharks had eaten everything. Only the skeleton remained. Eighteen feet of bones bounds to the boat, but the fish’s voice had gone silent.
01:03:04
Speaker 2: Santiago, Ah, Manolin, you are here.
01:03:08
Speaker 7: I saw the fish, the skeleton. How much did it weigh?
01:03:12
Speaker 2: I do not know. The sharks ate it, all of it.
01:03:17
Speaker 7: But everyone has seen it. Fifteen feet from nose to tail, some say eighteen. It is the greatest fish anyone has ever seen.
01:03:26
Speaker 2: But they ate it.
01:03:28
Speaker 7: You beat the fish.
01:03:30
Speaker 6: That is what matters.
01:03:32
Speaker 7: Tomorrow I will fish with you again. My father can say what he wants. I will fish with you. You think so, I know, so now rest I will bring you food.
01:03:46
Speaker 2: Mandolin. Yeah, I had a dream. I was dreaming about the lions.
01:03:53
Speaker 7: The lions on the beach in Africa.
01:03:56
Speaker 2: Yes, when I was your age, I saw them playing on the shore like cats. I dream about them still.
01:04:08
Speaker 8: The old man fell asleep and he dreamed of lions on the white beaches of his youth, when the world was new and all things were possible.
01:04:21
Speaker 2: The end audience goes nuts. The black oh Man.
01:04:31
Speaker 8: I was so excited for that.
01:04:33
Speaker 2: I’d forgotten we’re still in this hazy twilight of the studio. I’d forgotten that I made Brody. I made Brody a fish mask, and I didn’t give it to him. But it’s probably for the best, because I don’t think.
01:04:45
Speaker 4: Because this doesn’t look like a marlin.
01:04:48
Speaker 2: I just googled fish mask and printed the first thing I found. Well, that was a fun new segment called Meat Eater, Fake Out, Slash Meet Theater. I had a great time with it. I hope the audience enjoyed it as well.
01:05:01
Speaker 8: Brody Round a plaus for Brody Henderson.
01:05:05
Speaker 2: Studio and have have the the whole thing flipped on you and have to perform a play live. It was more fun. I think it was a lot of fun. Boy.
01:05:12
Speaker 3: I can’t wait to see your revenge.
01:05:14
Speaker 2: Phil. What’s the chat saying about our you know what?
01:05:17
Speaker 8: I haven’t been able to look because it’s mostly vasectomy talk. A lot of vasectomy talk. Seems like people are more interested in viseectomies than our meat theater segment. Let’s see this is a masterpiece.
01:05:28
Speaker 2: I wish that we had given Corey a dry run because I feel in the second the third act, his voice was dialed straight dial Yeah. Practice make started off a little choppy, but by the end it was very convincing. Oh thank you.
01:05:43
Speaker 8: What did I just tune into for a Tommy Pickle crap? I zonned out? What the heck’s going on? These are most of the comments. Thanks guys for staying on the line. You know, our viewer count is higher now than it was before we started the second Oh.
01:05:56
Speaker 2: Man, let’s hope this show never goes.
01:05:58
Speaker 8: Someone called someone called the Sudents.
01:06:00
Speaker 2: That’s good, that’s good stuff.
01:06:01
Speaker 8: Okay, we got some questions here. Do you any of you guys keep bees? That’s from Sean. No.
01:06:07
Speaker 2: I hate bees, I’ll be honest. I react really poorly to beastings. A friend of mine keeps bees. It seems like an incredibly time intensive hobby, or at least he talks about bees more than I’d like him to. But I do enjoy the honey the honey is very good, and honey is expensive.
01:06:26
Speaker 5: It is.
01:06:27
Speaker 6: We’re actually my youngest kid and I are seriously considering getting a hive this summer. Cool because you can do like mail order stuff for that you just ordered, it shows up your door, Bingo Mango. Steve has a buddy up in Alaska. I didn’t even know this was a thing. They just do a hive every summer and.
01:06:50
Speaker 5: That’s it.
01:06:51
Speaker 6: Then they do a new hive because like I always thought, you had to deal with them over the winner, maybe send him somewhere warm or whatever. But yeah, I want to give it a try.
01:06:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, it’s not really what you know, but who you know?
01:07:02
Speaker 2: My wife and I get a giant bucket of honey every year for yeah, some farmers and friends of ours, now that I think about it. At one point I was asked by a coworker. I had to drive from Spokane to Helena and I was asked to bring bees from one place to the other. And so a guy showed up and put a bunch of bees in my car with me. I had a hunt of pilot at the time, and I drove. I drove whatever four and a half five hours, just gripping the Steers. Yeah, it was very unsettling. It seemed like a bad movie.
01:07:39
Speaker 6: But I will say this, the whole like bear and honey thing is real. Back when Jannis I were guiding fly fish and Colorado, we had a private ranch that we would take out at now now and then. In that rancher had bees and he had to run electric fence around the high to keep the bears out because they would just go in there and tear it up.
01:08:03
Speaker 2: You know, I was in an area like that. Consider that I was hunting bears one spring outside of Missoula and it was private down in the bottom on this forest service road that you drive past, and they had a bunch of a bunch of bee hives. And we drove past one time and they were like six skunks in like walking across the field towards the hives, like walking in between the hives. I’d never seen anything like it. Yeah, but it’s just six skunks all out in the middle of the daylight, just dialed in on those on those be hives. Good point.
01:08:35
Speaker 8: This is from car Sarah Carland. I would guess currently listening to you guys while pike fishing in the dark on the Shannon River in Ireland. Thanks for keeping me company. Any pike fishing tips.
01:08:45
Speaker 2: For me, that’s amazing. Oh, that’s amazing.
01:08:49
Speaker 4: I don’t know like.
01:08:52
Speaker 6: Pike fishing tips. He got any like live suckers? They really like those?
01:08:57
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, be careful when you lay one, gette slime all over your boat or your clothes, and keep your fingers away from the teeth and gills.
01:09:06
Speaker 6: What is strange to me is like, at least in my experience here in the US of a like, night fishing for pike is like not a thing.
01:09:16
Speaker 4: Like they’re just not known to like feed well at night.
01:09:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, maybe we’ve got it all. I always think of them as a very like visually oriented fish.
01:09:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they’re always hunting.
01:09:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, that’s super cool though.
01:09:29
Speaker 3: Sorry, no great tips for you.
01:09:31
Speaker 8: Where are we at with the venison hot dog recipe? It’s from two fs.
01:09:36
Speaker 2: We have we have plans ongoing, very promising lead. We’re just hoping to get the participation of a man who we believe to be the expert in this, so stay tuned. It’s definitely happening. It’s just a question of Steven Renoula’s schedule.
01:09:55
Speaker 4: Is the challenge there?
01:09:57
Speaker 6: Like learning how to like emulsify that stuff.
01:10:01
Speaker 2: That’s that I mean, that’s the key step. But the object is to make a hot dog that is tastes the same, has the same crunch, you know, the same the same snappiness. Are we talking like frank.
01:10:18
Speaker 6: Like so not like an Oscar may or Wiener where there’s just like no skin on it.
01:10:24
Speaker 4: It’s gonna have Is it gonna have.
01:10:26
Speaker 2: Like a yeah, it’ll have it’ll have a skin on it. It will have a case. But but like you know, it’s all about that hot dog. Enthusiasts call it a snap when you break that case and so and then again the emulsification is is really like there’s a lot of people say they make venicson hot dogs and then you get it and it’s like a brat with a different spice mix. So we’re working towards, uh creating actual like gas station roller dogs out of Venison. Yeah, it’s exciting.
01:10:54
Speaker 8: Stay tuned, Matt asks, did I miss the punt gun content or has it not been made yet? We want the punt gun. I don’t want to speak for the video team, but look for punt gun stuff in a few months.
01:11:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, forthcoming.
01:11:06
Speaker 8: It has happened a big release and you won’t want to miss it. Someone’s asking for quail recipes or hunting tips scrub Life. Danny got invited to hunt quail for the first time next Monday.
01:11:20
Speaker 6: Tips, Like, I mean, it’s such such a general question.
01:11:26
Speaker 4: I mean, I don’t know if these guys are hunting.
01:11:28
Speaker 2: With dogs or.
01:11:31
Speaker 6: Yeah, go hunt where there’s some quail would be my tip.
01:11:34
Speaker 2: And grill. I mean, I always think about little birds like that, grilling the hole, keep.
01:11:38
Speaker 6: The skin on, take the time to pluck them if they’re not shot up. I would say, like, if you’ve got a group of people, you’re gonna need two per for wild quail, you’re gonna need at least two per person.
01:11:53
Speaker 2: Good luck, keep us posted.
01:11:54
Speaker 8: Yeah, let’s do one more here. This is from Chris Locke. He says he’s elk hunting season. He hears two hundred to three hundred elk bulls are fighting and bugling. We’ll calling do anything or is it all about spotting stock intercepts? He’s hoping hunting an open country with a muzzle loader.
01:12:12
Speaker 3: Here of two.
01:12:13
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was kind of confessed by that.
01:12:14
Speaker 1: Corey.
01:12:14
Speaker 6: That late season bugling. That ain’t that’s just them talking to each other. When they’re in these giant herds, like you’re not going to lure a bull in by Colin.
01:12:23
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, they’re always fighting, they’re always bugling. That’s not just a rut thing. Colin might do you something, though, I mean.
01:12:33
Speaker 3: Squeak on a little lost calf, call and see if a cow will come in.
01:12:36
Speaker 2: I don’t know if you’re hunting either sex if you got to get close open country with the muzzy.
01:12:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of belly crawling. I’d imagine best bet spot in stock though, fill.
01:12:49
Speaker 3: Is that it?
01:12:50
Speaker 8: Yeah? Are you sure? Unless you want to keep going there. We’re at time. I think I think we’ve we’ve given them a.
01:12:56
Speaker 6: Pretty good We didn’t get any reactions on our Academy Award winning efforts.
01:13:01
Speaker 8: Phil Brody, you got called out specifically. People were not extended. I can find some for you. People were saying, I didn’t know Brody had that heat in him. Bravo expecting that from Brody.
01:13:12
Speaker 2: We call that chop.
01:13:14
Speaker 8: John says, Bravo, I’m weeping. Brody really showed up. Yeah, Brody was a just sport. I told Randall before this. For the D and D game, you you brought brought it then.
01:13:25
Speaker 6: To I’m game, Phil, game for whatever. Plus I just like felt for that fish man because he really got boned.
01:13:34
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I tried to do uh, the most Dangerous game. You remember that short story.
01:13:41
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that’s a good one.
01:13:42
Speaker 2: But then I forgot that the guy. You know, there’s the guy that hunts the people, and then there’s the the guy that’s going to be hunted, and then there’s a third guy. And he’s only described as like a big, imposing, mute character, and so I didn’t think it would be fair. He’s like, he makes some the guy one guy makes some comments, like he has his own methods, right, but he’s silent the whole time. So it just didn’t turn out well. So I thought just adding the fish to this would work out the best, and I think.
01:14:11
Speaker 8: That was a great idea.
01:14:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we’ll get away. We’ll get away from Hemingway at some point, but he’s really got a rich library. So as always, we appreciate you, we love you. Thanks for tuning in, Corey Brody, appreciate you guys. Phil, you killed it again today. As always, We’ll see you here next Thursday. Meeta to Radio Live, signing off, good night,
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