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Speaker 1: Yo, what’s up? You’re off in God’s country which you’re bored. That’s me being tough dog. That’s me being tough Reed and Dan isbel also known as the Brother’s Hunt.
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Speaker 2: We take a weekly ride to the intersection of country music and the great outdoors.
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Speaker 1: Ray, how pro are we at this now? All right?
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Speaker 3: Not?
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Speaker 1: I guess still?
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Speaker 4: Uh?
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Speaker 2: Brought to you by a meteor and to Covi’s two things that go together like west ten west ten and I hope that’s not a real gang sign and uh and so like this melting pot of country R and B soul, melting pot bowl that you mix it all up, and then we all came out.
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Speaker 5: Of or the climb and one ba ba billillion berrillion.
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Speaker 1: Dude, you know how many times that is.
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Speaker 5: A lot of times as it brought to you by meat eater. And even though you stole my line earlier, you say it again. Sometimes I just off the dome, like this one feels good.
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Speaker 1: Now, ecbat, let’s get it.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I got my Lizzies on Let’s go. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I know that your favorite song.
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Speaker 5: Did you see that five art five star rating we got where that guy was like, get out of my head.
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Speaker 1: Dude, No, we can read it later. Don’t say it. You got it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I gott we’ll read it all right, it’s long. If it’s five stars, it’s long. Okay, we’ll make it quick. Jesse Alexander West ten Boom, I mean just after hit after it feels like she rides its hits.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Even when she was like and you know this one and this one, this, I was like.
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Speaker 2: I mean I I drive the climb, I drive your truck, drink on, drink on it. Mine would be you.
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Speaker 5: I don’t even I mean, there’s so many ain’t no love in Oklahoma Monsters. Man is gonna go. She’s had cuts for everybody the best.
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Speaker 2: She’s great, that’s great, great, her vocals, velvet. She could be an artist, but she’s a mom and it’s in a killer songwriter. She don’t have to be.
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Speaker 1: She do it or she wants. Uh, you’re gonna love this one, check around, sing a couple of songs. We do a little bit.
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Speaker 2: It’s fun. You’re gonna enjoy it. Hey, thanks for everybody that came out of the Bootlegger Bonfire. Last week. We were down there in Florida and did that thing. We played a couple of shows. Had a lot of people saying they listen to the podcast. I don’t know why. Steal uh I said they watch it too, So I appreciate that, like the commitment to watch us be dumb, yep, anything.
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Speaker 1: Else, I don’t know.
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Speaker 5: I guess I could read that rating, read the five star, read the good five star rating.
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Speaker 1: A right, give me a Philip Filler till I find it.
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Speaker 2: Even New Guy Ray we were we were playing the bonfire and and uh we were like doing this Q and a thing on the on the beach, and uh, I was like, anybody got a question?
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Speaker 1: And the guy in the back goes, where’s New Guy Ray?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: There you get some love out there. You’re there a thing, dude, all right in the roast. It’s not really perfect. This is called this is titled They Got Worms. This show has more ear worms than a trychnosis bear trick nosis trick trick, good nosis bear, this show has more worms than a tricknosis bear ear worms that is, because what do you want popping into your head at three in the morning when you’ve been woking up by excruciating back pain and nausea because your kidney is kicking out of stone. That’s right to cos this? Nah, all right, appreciate it right right?
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Speaker 2: Rais ona this say that jacket he’s got on there, the feeling.
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Speaker 1: Themselves that looks so good today?
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Speaker 5: And what better to have on your endless loop in your brain when you’re stripping urine soaked pajamas off of your five year old for the umpteeth time. Then what mad just damn me? What is dude? That is true? Yeah, stripping urine soaked pajamas off a child at two thirty in the morning is the worst dude.
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Speaker 2: Espe like, because you know, if you forgot where, if you forgot to change the diaper on your before they went to bed, or just didn’t put one, it’s like as big as a basketball and it’s yeah, and then you feel like it’s like a terrible parent because you’re not doing everything wrong.
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Speaker 5: Well, let me get to this because this is where he compliments is these guys are brilliant when they stay in their lane talking about music, bass fishing, and turkey hitting. But listening to them trying to talk about anything else, it’s like watching a monkey make sweet passionate love to a football. Keep up the good work, fellas, and get the f out.
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Speaker 1: Of my head. No, John, the k we up in that. We and your hish.
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Speaker 2: Stay up in that here. Who listens? Hey, Jesse Alexander Killer, You’re gonna love it. Thanks for hanging out. I’m like, it’s like one hundred and seven episodes or something. We just appreciate you all. Thanks follow us to subscribe five stars. It’s trying to get out of here. We got c m a an ACM Award winning yep A West ten River rat Mama three n n P a Female Songwriter of the Year. She’s got ten number one songs right, including the most recent one. It ain’t no jam jam, I just dude. We just we just got back from the bootlegger thing done.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, cop Na feels like you feels just like.
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Speaker 2: Jesse Alexander guys coutching Piet out.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming out look great today.
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Speaker 4: Thank you you guys, to thank you.
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Speaker 2: We’re big Jesse Alexander fans cracks me up with people that we know listen because I’m like, you already know all of this, No I.
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Speaker 1: Do I know?
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Speaker 8: And y’all turn me onto so many great things like I would not know way too high Muscadinge song. Oh yeah, that’s become the song of twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 4: I listened to it almost every day, like I.
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Speaker 1: Have to know that that song.
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Speaker 8: They’re so good, They’re so good.
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Speaker 4: But like, thank you for spreading the good works. Jake Worthington.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, that’s a that’s a testament to to Jordan because Jumps.
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Speaker 1: Nobody knows where’s Georgie Jumps. My wife Jordan, I don’t call her Jumps. It’s weird.
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Speaker 2: But like sometimes we don’t know these cats either, and like they’re rolling in and we’re like hey, and she’ll give us a little like pitch sheet like this kind of thing and we’ll run over it and at the end of it. Almost all the time, probably every time I become a fan of whoever were got me was co.
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Speaker 5: Wetzel, Oh yeah, i’t, I haven’t really Yeah, dived dove and doved moved in on him, dody much and uh they sent us that record early, yeah, and I was listening to it and I was like, yeah, there’s.
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Speaker 1: Really great, Like you know what we do.
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Speaker 5: We know what we do and and and you get locked in that sometimes and then when something comes from left field with a with a different opinion or a different sound and and right.
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Speaker 8: And that’s why I love these podcasts because you just can learn so much. We’re in our little rooms all day just writing with whoever you’re writing with. You don’t know what else is going on so totally.
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Speaker 5: And that’s what I really learned from this is there’s a lot going on out there that I don’t know about.
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Speaker 1: A lot, especially outside of Nashville.
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Speaker 2: I mean, like like the Texas scene and all that, and they’re they’re crushing, dude.
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Speaker 1: A lot of great music coming out of that right now. Texas. For I feel like Texas is showing up here lately.
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Speaker 4: They’re showing up.
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Speaker 1: They are, They’re showing up, showing off they are.
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Speaker 8: We got to keep Tennessee strong, Tennessee strong, Tennessee Tennessee strong.
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Speaker 1: Right now, it doesn’t get the love.
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Speaker 8: I mean, thank you Morgan Wallin though, I mean he’s shot in big old light.
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Speaker 5: And it’s just let’s just gently placed to the sea artists out there for just a second.
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Speaker 4: Dolly Parton, let’s start with Dolly.
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Speaker 1: Who else.
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Speaker 8: Parl Perkins, that’s Jackson, Tennessee. I’m from Jackson.
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Speaker 2: I mean you get to like super earlies, like Bristol, like the Carter family is what Elvis?
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Speaker 1: Oh, he was Memphis whole.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but he was Memphis Chesney, Chesney, Chesney, Timberlake.
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Speaker 1: Are we going like pot we need them, we need hey?
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Speaker 4: But what about our brother Jonathan Singles, he’s.
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Speaker 1: The worst Jesse right now?
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Speaker 5: About d w right now man, we played the show with him, Yeah, and Kyle Little Western.
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Speaker 1: The West West, Western Tennessee.
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Speaker 4: I understand.
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Speaker 5: But I’m gonna tell you something vocally killer, I mean, it blew me away.
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Speaker 4: It is, it is, It blows me away every time.
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Speaker 5: It may be better, it may be better than early two thousand’s prim Darryl. I think maybe just like the the life and the age, and it is also like the not caring as much anymore. His tale is seriously the whole round. I just said, looked at him because it’s so effortless for him, as far as like he’s not pushing or like it’s just it’s it’s butter dude, he is. I would just like I’d love to get that dude over here just to hear him. He got the second wind.
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Speaker 8: Dude, he’s chilling, he’s he’s so good that Savannah.
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Speaker 1: Represents sure today.
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Speaker 5: But I know you’re proud of of of our area.
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Speaker 1: Yes, because we’re from the same area.
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Speaker 5: What do you think before I know we’re going to do this stuff, but what do you think makes that area especially as far as like writers and artists that come up out of out of that area.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, because isn’t it true? Like I write with some folks from East Tennessee, and it’s so different, different, right, They just feel like like, yeah, we’re Tennesseeans, but we’re very different. Like we’re family, but like distant families. When I met y’all and I met Jonathan, it’s like or whomever from West It’s like, I just just feels like family. It’s like we speak the same language. But I think my influence, Josh Miller. My influence early on was that I had one side of me that went leaned into Memphis Bill Street, the Blues. My dad’s a painter, and he, yeah, like painted like Memphis and men poster things like that, and so like I got to be around bb King, Bobby Blue Blandu, you know, Albert King, all those people. On one side of me the Delta music, the old Delta kind of blues. But then the right hand of me is grand Opry Nashville. So for me, it’s like that melting pot of like because they East inc Has little more blue grass, we soul lose.
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Speaker 1: It’s kind of.
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Speaker 2: Music, but it’s almost like that Mountain bluegrass buffy thing we got Memphis.
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Speaker 8: Muscle should it’s just dirty, dirty, there’s something like not as pristine and not as much bibble belt, maybe a little more around.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you nailed it with R and B influenced too, because I think where people have that blue grass, where that lives in there, like as much of that belongs to them, That section of my life is R and B one thousand percent.
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Speaker 1: So I think that.
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Speaker 5: I mean, you look at like Bryan McKnight, I mean you look at like Singleton and stuff like that, and what he I think we all I think it’s kind of like and this is getting way into like writer theory, if you will, but like when you’ve become like an established writer in this town and you’ve been around a long time.
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Speaker 1: People know that you have like a bit of a flavor.
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Speaker 5: I feel like a lot of us from that area have not necessarily the same flavor, but they’re heavy heavily influenced by that R and b abs movement. I mean you think about like don’t and don’t. All of that stuff feels very natural to us. What’s crazy is when you get in the room with somebody that that’s not natural so totally, and they have trouble hanging on to what you feel like everybody.
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Speaker 2: And it’s just it’s just as as bizarre the other way around. If us three got in the room right now, what we could come up with, because there’s so many we could go the rock way, it could go the country, the R and B influence. And that’s what I used to tell people, Like they’re like, where where do you get your influences from? I was like, well, my dad was a Baptist preacher, so it’s saying hymns Sunday. And then my oldest sister drove me to school and she was listening to Bryman Knight genuine and all these cats damn would pick.
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Speaker 4: Me up from school and it was Garth Brooks.
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Speaker 2: And you know nineties country Tracy Burd and all these cats. And so my mom was a huge Temptations fan. My grandmother is would be in the Elvis Fan Club if it was still around. Like, there’s so every part of our lives, almost in every different relationship within our family was a different musical inspiration. And like you’re saying that Melton pot is just like you throw all that in a bowl and mix it up and we can come out with anything. Yeah, it’s our green, you.
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Speaker 8: Know, it’s it’s all those people, like I said on Beal Street, because I feel like that is right there next to Jackson. You know, we drive there and just like be a little kid. And they realized if they give the eight year old the tip jar, they get a lot more money.
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Speaker 4: So you know, I was.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, well, I’d.
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Speaker 5: Never heard of I’d never heard of Tony Rice. I knew Bill Withers who I And then you get up here You’re like, oh, you don’t know Tony Rice, And then you dive into that and all of a sudden it just gets wider and wider.
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Speaker 1: You know, your palette, what you pull from.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, soul, I say, soul country soul. You know, it’s really that’s what I think.
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Speaker 1: That’s what we wrote this next one about that.
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Speaker 4: Okay, whoa you mad?
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Speaker 1: Just tell us what it is?
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Speaker 4: What you meant, is it your lost kid?
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Speaker 1: Might be your ball man?
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Speaker 9: Just tell us, swoot you mad?
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Speaker 1: I was not mad. I was.
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Speaker 5: I was not mad at all coming in this morning and I was like, I like.
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Speaker 1: A spontaneous mad.
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Speaker 5: I was like, I’m gonna have I’m gonna have a good day. A good day’s gonna be what you’re glad at it. It’s easy. And then I saw it. I saw it on Music Road, and oh man, I saw this is just making me mad thinking about it.
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Speaker 1: A dog in a raincoat.
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Speaker 4: Oh whoa, whoa, why why.
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Speaker 1: Does the dog have a raincoat on? Man? It just maybe doesn’t like maybe that dog like this. I hope that God doesn’t listen. Was it a guy or a girl? You know what? He didn’t have a raincoat on.
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Speaker 4: But the dog did.
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Speaker 1: The dog did.
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Speaker 4: No, there ain’t no no dog, ain’t no dogs inside.
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Speaker 5: That’s right, the dogs and raincoats and western.
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Speaker 1: Dogs just yeah, playing raincoat on dogs. Grandad, I can hear him right now. I know you ain’t got a ring my granddads.
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Speaker 5: But my sister did this guy one time and he showed up down there for Thanksgiving, and you know Thanksgiving his one hundred degrees.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely he had on inside cut.
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Speaker 5: Off cheeve shorts, a tank top, and a backwards hat with that flipped up. I just wish I could go back and relive that couple hours with.
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Speaker 1: My grand dad. He’s like he was he was not.
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Speaker 2: He was like, that’s the same guy that I went. I was like, hey, man, he stayed the night with our family. Lindsay brought him home from college or something. I was like, hey, I’m gonna go put in a dove plot in the morning. You want to go with me? He’s like sure, And he showed up with jeorts, flip flops, cut off T shirt in the back. I was like, and don’t talk to me the whole time. All right, sorry, I commenteered what you’re mad at?
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Speaker 5: That’s a good GotY man, I was, And I’m still having a good It’s still gonna be a good day.
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Speaker 2: But man, don’t put rincos on dogs, Dude, don’t do it. There’s gonna be a lot of people I’m putting rincos.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it was hallow. Maybe it was dressing.
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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah it was.
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Speaker 1: I’m mad at it. I’m not mad, I’m glad. I’m just class.
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Speaker 2: I wish it was this way, which right now it’s fifty degrees. What about fifty degrees in Nashville. It’s gross, it’s raining, overcast. I wish it was like this until March.
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Speaker 1: Wow, every day like yeah, I have.
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Speaker 8: One of my sons loves it and my husband loves it, and I’m like, oh, it’s so sad out there.
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Speaker 2: I was talking to my nanny yesterday. She was like, my son has like this starts his like seasonal Yes, the pressures stuff, like he likes it warm outside. This doesn’t do the depression. It just shows me.
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Speaker 4: Oh I know what’s coming now, which is the very cold winter.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I told her. I was exact.
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Speaker 2: I’m the exact opposite. This is when like we come alive, like I’m out and this frustrating. I don’t want to hate it.
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Speaker 4: I love fall.
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Speaker 8: I love the colors obviously Tennessee. You know it’s beautiful. But yeah, it’s it’s real. It’s like a physical It has to be because I’m so joyful typically like glass full old type person. But this weather comes on and I start feeling it, like so sad out there.
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Speaker 2: She said she was born in Scotland and she said she was like, this is what that’s every day for her. Oh, she was like, this is what Scotland is. Yeah, except for wet all the time. That’d be tough for me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I like coming out of it. I mean about February, I’m like, all right, yeah, February.
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Speaker 2: Is rough, especially February. All deer seasons in that February into March even hunt. No, there’s nothing.
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Speaker 4: What are you all going to do?
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Speaker 1: This is too cold a fish too cold and home? Are you mad anything?
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Speaker 4: Okay? I know that you’ll do this.
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Speaker 10: And I love this.
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Speaker 8: My favorite party of y’all, this whole thing you got, I have lots, Yeah, but I would just say that they all kind of come under one umbrella.
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Speaker 4: And that’s technology.
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Speaker 8: So, like my worst nightmare is if someone says you’re gonna need to pay that bill on the portal, if there’s a portal involved, or like we’re gonna send you the email like anything like sign in, like if there’s not pen and paper.
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Speaker 4: Because I’m a dinosaur, I think it’s a scam. I hate it.
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Speaker 8: And then I’ll just take one more layer because I feel like someone else complained about this too. But self checkouts at Walmart, and it’s not it’s self check out. But what’s most annoying, what makes me mad the mad party, yeah, is that I’m seeing like five or six folks standing around that work there.
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Speaker 4: They’re just talkingill, they’re chilling.
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Speaker 8: And there’s a line at the checkout yeah, and we’re all just, you know, we can’t get it to run through scam. Yeah, And they’re just literally hanging out and it just the blue collar and me just.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for making me. I’m back.
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Speaker 4: I get, I’m mad, I get.
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Speaker 8: I mean I really, I just look at them like y’all have the be that’s job ever you just to stand around and talk.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Jesse came in and I was like, we do two things much.
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Speaker 2: She’s like, I know, She’s like I was actually listening to Jake Worths about the traffic when I was stuck in traffic.
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Speaker 5: Can always about that, like the one we learned that that we had to like not do traffic every day.
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Speaker 4: Maybe you just say we can’t do traffic, Yeah we should.
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Speaker 1: We should just say I just don’t say traffic.
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Speaker 5: It was at first, every time we had somebody that was old on, it was always uh uh political, we had okay, just stop and so, and then everybody our age that shows up twenty minutes late, it’s like traffic.
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Speaker 4: Well we all live out of town. H Yeah. But I’d say just technology.
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Speaker 8: Just I feel like I live in like ninety five forever and I can’t get past it.
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Speaker 1: It’s a scam.
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Speaker 5: When it’s a scam because I broke my peaky and it’s still kind of whacked out. But but uh, you don’t really need your pinky for anything. You’ll be surprised trying to open a coke with it. That’s the one thing that really would annoy me. I mean you can’t do it with your other hand of the grip. I mean I can, but you do it with you right anyway?
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Speaker 1: Oh, what was I saying?
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Speaker 4: Pinky portals technology.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I’ll pay through a portal. If you portal me to the desk where.
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Speaker 4: I can pay and I can talk to someone, it’s.
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Speaker 5: Like eighty bucks, right, and I’m like, oh my gosh, I start getting noticed after notice that I haven’t paid this.
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Speaker 1: I’m like, okay, I’ll click the square thing. It takes me to a thing.
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Speaker 5: Ye I put in all my info full price sin It’s like, we’re sorry this blah blah blah, it’s not working. And I’m like I try that three times. It doesn’t work. So finally I’m like, well they can come get it. Well, now I’m in collections.
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Speaker 4: Really, see that’s gonna happen to me? Is going to happen.
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Speaker 5: You didn’t pay this eighty two dollars bill and now it’s gone to collections and it’s ninety six.
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Speaker 4: So hard.
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Speaker 2: They make it so, they make it so hard, even like driving to Florida. Now you can take the toll road and not have to go not pay it the toll thing and you just they take a picture of well, I just play think they get you to and they’re like, hey, follow this link to pay your six dollars and then you can follow the link that follows the link. And then you don’t know what is real and what’s not on the internet anyway, So like that’s what information? Who’s get information?
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Speaker 1: That’s what I’m saying. What hundred up FanDuel hit meant for one hundred dollars?
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Speaker 5: Other day I’m like, hey, you come get me arrest me, dude, police PayPal, somebody somebody scamming PayPal.
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Speaker 2: They send me text messages and emails that’s like you just paid, thank you for your six hundred dollars payment. And if you click on the link, it’s like, dispute this claim that this link. You click on the link, it’s like, boom, got your stuff, got you?
00:22:39
Speaker 8: Gotcha?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, get us?
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Speaker 5: I hate technically that’s a good one. That should we segue that into hate feel about sooner.
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Speaker 8: I’m such a dinosaur that I don’t even know what that is. Like anybody in my life just like rolls their eyes because I’m always like ten years like, I’m just so like remembers me on Zoom I was a nightmare. Like technology is just so like hard for me. It’s so frustrating, like everyone else is doing it and so I haven’t even tried that. That wouldn’t even barely just figuring out how to like pay for the parking with my phone things like that, do that too.
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Speaker 10: I don’t know.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I’m so just yeah, not there yet, five years off.
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Speaker 5: Because the city national yesterday and got a text as soon as I entered the building that was like, hey, thanks for coming in we’ll be sure and billion this part just to heads up your parking. And I was like I came into the building. I wasn’t even I didn’t even walked in Rember we pulled up in there. As soon as we pulled up in there, on my phone buzz and it was like, hey, we got you cool. Thanks for coming by City Nationville.
00:23:49
Speaker 8: I know I’m trying, though, I don’t want to be one of those people that’s not keeping up at the time. Some of my heroes, like David Lee Murphy is the perfect example of someone that’s just he just keeps, you know, reinventing himself and he can hang with the new guys and he’s a legend to me, and he’s not one of those guys when pro tools hit said, I ain’t doing that, you know, He’s I want. I don’t want to be so back, you know, but I can’t help it. It’s like physically something’s.
00:24:14
Speaker 1: Just not I don’t want.
00:24:17
Speaker 4: I don’t feel like you believe in a guitar and a singer.
00:24:20
Speaker 2: And because I think this matters more than anything, like like if you can, if you can show up to a room and do this, it still matters more than than anything. Like I don’t think there’s anybody. I mean, people here Jesse Alexander, They’re not gonna be like, well, what’s her followers on TikTok.
00:24:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it’s like I want that room.
00:24:38
Speaker 1: So it’s like I don’t feel like I feel.
00:24:40
Speaker 2: I feel like my generation is like the one beyond all that, and I’m kind of the same way, like I don’t I don’t want to keep up with it, like I want to stay in tune enough enough, but not I don’t want to, like gosh, sell myself.
00:24:56
Speaker 5: Listen play that was advocate for a second. I’m you That’s exactly how I feel. But it makes me wonder if like those other writers that were like older than us felt that same way, like I know, I’m not going with it, and then there out like are we on our way out?
00:25:12
Speaker 4: I can’t tell.
00:25:13
Speaker 8: Like a couple of demos, I might be a couple of demos have come in that were so no or whatever and I was like cool, Like I didn’t, I wasn’t wowed.
00:25:23
Speaker 4: I wasn’t like whoa okay, because you know.
00:25:25
Speaker 1: Okay, so I should probably explain what soono is. Souno is what I’m talking about.
00:25:32
Speaker 5: So basically, you can put a work tape into this program and it spits you out a full fledged.
00:25:38
Speaker 2: And a work tape is just a recording of you and a guitar singing, and it can literally you could you.
00:25:43
Speaker 5: Put a lyric in, you type the lyric in what you wanted to say, and then you put your work tape in, and then it translates it into a fully produced demo of probably what.
00:25:52
Speaker 1: A thousand and you can just kind of roll through them and.
00:25:54
Speaker 5: Pick you know, I mean, you can do it as many times you want to, so it’ll spit it out as me. It’s it’s it’s a I uh spit out of thought that with that guy Randall Randall Montana.
00:26:06
Speaker 7: Uh.
00:26:07
Speaker 5: And the point is there’s a lot of mixed feelings about it. There’s some people that are like.
00:26:11
Speaker 1: He’s calling talk about the season because.
00:26:16
Speaker 5: Uh so, you know, there’s a lot of mixed feelings about it. Whether or not it’s a productive thing for town, whether or not it’s the end of the world. I mean, it could go a lot of different ways.
00:26:27
Speaker 2: My my, my, my thing about it, and it’s getting better every day, right because whatever whatever artificial intelligence is or whatever AI whatever that even stands for that. But uh, it still everything you hear because I get Suno demos and and and I’ve seen the songs that Chat Gibt is written and all that. There’s still even with these demos, there’s an element that’s not there and it’s and it’s the I honestly think it’s the human touch element. It’s like the human brain element. So yeah, the soul. Yeah, it just you can you know, you can pick them out. You can feel it, especially with these with these demos. Man, you they just don’t like getting a Suno demos, not like getting a Josh Jenkins demo or you know, it’s something there’s it’s just a different feeling.
00:27:16
Speaker 4: But I can remember when I moved to town, everybody’s like pro tools and then there was track guys.
00:27:22
Speaker 8: So like, I think I’ll probably wind up somewhere like I always do, or take a little leave a little you know, like I’m just I’m never all or nothing in that way. It’s like I’ll grow, But I am pretty traditional when it comes to just a singer and a song title, lyric.
00:27:38
Speaker 2: The guitar, and then I did write a song that’s my home plate. Speaking of that, we’re just we’re gonna jump into uh to something, tell us give us the mind would be you story.
00:27:50
Speaker 4: It’s a good one. I like it, Okay.
00:27:53
Speaker 8: So I read that with Connie Harrington and Derek Rtan. Back then, you know, I wasn’t really writing a lot to female songs really at all. Me and Connie had just written I Drive Your Truck, and we were.
00:28:05
Speaker 1: Like, forgot about that one.
00:28:09
Speaker 8: Yeah, we were at the point where we were like we we had a day booked that day, and we were like we started I Drive your Truck. We were like, we got to put a guy and expect. Then I was like, there ain’t no girls going to sing I Drive your truck, you know. So we brought in Jimmy Ery. So obviously that worked well. So we’re like, let’s do that again. And so when we were writing at this music when there’s so many great writers over there, mail writers, so we’re like, let’s try Derek or tan Well, who I’ve known forever. Margaret, his wife’s one of my best friends, and we go way back. So it was our first time to write though. And yeah, so the first time. And so Connie’s got her post it notes and her titles and and she’s just throwing them out and she says, da da dah blah blah blah, mine would be you blah blah. And I mean when she said it, I was like, who whoa, whoa, whoa, Wait, say what was that? And she said mine would be you? And it was just like immediately I could just feel it, like for me, songs hit like a video, like I can see the players, I can see the movie kind of immediately, can touch If I can’t tap into these characters, then you’ll see me kind of fishing for other ideas immediately.
00:29:16
Speaker 4: If that happens, I’m in and so we.
00:29:19
Speaker 8: I was pregnant at the time with our twins, so I knew we didn’t have much time that day because I had another doctor’s appointment, you know. But I was like, at first, we’re like, mine would be you. You know, your your best, This You’re sweetest. That was all a love song, right yeah, But as y’all know, with pregnant wives, we delieve early. I was like, guys, I’m so sorry if to leave. So we had the whole first two verses written. I was like, let’s get back together into weeks. We had no we had the chorus we had because it was it’s two verses up top. It’s two verses and a really sweet positive chorus, right, and uh so I was like, let’s get back together next week and I’ll mix up her and we’ll finish the song. So they we they came over that time, but I was like not as sweet and good mood as a pregnant mom of twins would be. And I was like, wait a minute, this guy is a complete jerk, Like, no, this is not a love story, this is not this doesn’t end well.
00:30:16
Speaker 4: He messed up.
00:30:17
Speaker 8: And I know exactly because I wrote it from a very picturesque point in my life when I was a teenager.
00:30:24
Speaker 4: We won’t name names, but he knows who he is, and uh yeah, and I just.
00:30:31
Speaker 8: It hit me that it was and we all kind of started walking into that and whoa, that last verse came out of nowhere it is and it still like grips me because it’s so it was like, wow, it came out for all of us, and we just kind of stood back that night and looked at it like WHOA, what did we just write? You know?
00:30:51
Speaker 4: And and like makeup kiss was what it was.
00:30:55
Speaker 8: But back then I had a song on the chart with Blake Shelton called drink on it that had prick the word prick in it, and back then I was like, oh, I know Blake, he likes when I when you put provocative things, he’ll listen more. And sure enough I said, can we put makeup sex?
00:31:10
Speaker 1: And we all it was just kind of probably taboo.
00:31:13
Speaker 3: It was very.
00:31:15
Speaker 8: And because it’s an opening line, and so sure enough send it to Blake immediately, Yes, cutting it and it was like the dream.
00:31:23
Speaker 4: He cut it perfect.
00:31:24
Speaker 8: It was beautiful and yeah, it was nominated for a Grammy and Song of the Year.
00:31:31
Speaker 1: First, I don’t I want to switch? You kind of play the whole song, get the switch, play it, you do what you want to do.
00:31:44
Speaker 4: Okay, what’s your all time? Hans? Well on this and make up? What’s your guilty pleasure?
00:32:00
Speaker 3: You’ll go to will if you ask any miny, what’s your worst hang over?
00:32:10
Speaker 10: Your best man?
00:32:14
Speaker 3: Ninety few marbor, the best damn thing looked in?
00:32:24
Speaker 1: That’s easy boy.
00:32:26
Speaker 10: Mine mine would.
00:32:29
Speaker 7: Be you sun shining back road fly singing like crazy fools may get up, roars, laugh.
00:32:39
Speaker 3: Until it hurts.
00:32:40
Speaker 7: Maybe if I hadn’t choose my best day of fine stuff, wild stream.
00:32:47
Speaker 3: Culture, Oh, money. Now, what’s your double Dare you go off?
00:33:08
Speaker 1: The craziest thing ever?
00:33:11
Speaker 2: Did?
00:33:13
Speaker 3: Whole plane?
00:33:14
Speaker 10: Is your name?
00:33:15
Speaker 3: This tatto? Look on mine?
00:33:20
Speaker 10: Mine would be.
00:33:23
Speaker 11: Mine would be here the song kids shining back, road flying, singing my crazy fools, making overroards laugh until it hurts.
00:33:35
Speaker 3: Maybe if I had to choose.
00:33:37
Speaker 7: My best day, farm stuff, wild stream conture, who Yeah, mine would be ce.
00:33:55
Speaker 2: Here’s the switch, here’s the switch, Here’s what happened supposed to happen.
00:34:03
Speaker 4: Now, what’s the greatest chapter in your.
00:34:08
Speaker 1: Other pages where it hurts me?
00:34:13
Speaker 4: What’s the one regret you can’t look?
00:34:19
Speaker 10: You’ve got it?
00:34:20
Speaker 3: The mine be.
00:34:23
Speaker 10: Oh you’ve got it?
00:34:25
Speaker 3: Baby? Mine would be.
00:34:28
Speaker 1: Mine would be.
00:34:31
Speaker 3: Tell let’s spend day library and standing. Their lives.
00:34:37
Speaker 4: Should have been at.
00:34:40
Speaker 10: To make you on a whole on to the best love ever?
00:34:44
Speaker 1: Why can’t you tell me one thing?
00:34:47
Speaker 10: You’d better go? It’s mine would be.
00:34:56
Speaker 1: Kill It’s like a like a lesson in song.
00:35:04
Speaker 4: It’s a movie.
00:35:06
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can see it. I mean I feel like that’s what’s so uh? That’s your flavor?
00:35:11
Speaker 5: Honestly, is that when when people want a Jesse Alexander song, I feel like they want that, they want the characters and the story and the visual.
00:35:23
Speaker 1: That’s what you do. You’re great at.
00:35:24
Speaker 8: You should mean giving it so a way that it’s my story and not their story. You know, that’s always the aim.
00:35:31
Speaker 4: What I love about that one is just like it just pushes it just pushes that good.
00:35:37
Speaker 1: To the edge.
00:35:39
Speaker 7: Man.
00:35:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know it’s sad and hard.
00:35:42
Speaker 8: You know so many people after that was written, they would be like, and our people, can we just need a mind?
00:35:46
Speaker 3: Would be you?
00:35:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, I’ve already loved that.
00:35:49
Speaker 10: Yeah, like I can’t.
00:35:50
Speaker 8: It’s very very hard for me sometimes to try to tap into that and it just has to be there.
00:35:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, either there, it ain’t right. Yeah, I know I feel the same.
00:35:59
Speaker 12: I’m not.
00:35:59
Speaker 5: I’m not jumping on my phone being disrespectful. We actually came up with a bit of a bit. Okay, does this have anything? Do I have to play anything with? No, let’s just roll okay. So the bit is called mine would be you, and we we came up with scenarios that I’m scared that you have to like mine would be right?
00:36:21
Speaker 1: Okay, So I’ll do the first one.
00:36:23
Speaker 5: So the first example is who would answer a phone call for a million dollars?
00:36:29
Speaker 1: Mine would be you. And then you say, who who would answer the phone? Does that make sense?
00:36:33
Speaker 4: And people in my life just.
00:36:38
Speaker 2: Artist would be fun songwrity artistry, song rotery artistry.
00:36:42
Speaker 4: Can y’all practice first?
00:36:44
Speaker 1: Okay? On that one? On the phone call one?
00:36:46
Speaker 7: Who?
00:36:47
Speaker 1: Mine would be you? Whoever you are, answer a phone call for me? You know when you don’t?
00:36:52
Speaker 4: You know they’re gonna If they don’t, they’re not going to call it right now?
00:36:56
Speaker 1: Answer who Ray Falter answer right now? Let’s see if it works. Oh my gosh, it just works.
00:37:02
Speaker 5: I’m kind of curious radio would but he just nah ten o’clock, he’s already headed it.
00:37:09
Speaker 1: He might be writing. Let’s see if it’s.
00:37:14
Speaker 4: This will be amazing if he does the pal.
00:37:19
Speaker 2: I told you, I told you, Hey, you’re on the podcast. We got Jesse Alexander on and we’re doing the mom would be you game? And Dan goes, who’s one person that you could call right now and that they answer, you get a million dollars?
00:37:34
Speaker 4: And I was like, Ray Folcher, He’s like he was like for I was like, dude, he called, I said, you’d answer right now.
00:37:38
Speaker 1: He’s like, let’s try. Sitting here writing a nine o’clock song. When I said, I saw your name come up, I was like, and I got to see my boy, I said, I said. I was like, he’s probably writing. He’s probably finished, I said, I said, you wouldn’t answer because you were finishing a song.
00:37:53
Speaker 2: Oh, Broy, I can, I can multitask, all right, I’ll send you half that million when I get it.
00:37:59
Speaker 1: That alright, that’s a good one. That’s good.
00:38:03
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, if you had if mine would be you, I’m really glad, he answered. If the person that you pick would catch a fish on the first cat, first.
00:38:15
Speaker 4: Cat, I’m gonna go Travis Dinning.
00:38:18
Speaker 1: He’s a fish.
00:38:22
Speaker 2: Okay, that’s the that’s the guy you see on the lake and he’s got the troller motor remote around his he.
00:38:30
Speaker 1: Knows where he would go to one places.
00:38:34
Speaker 5: Yeah, that’s a good one. Okay, mine would be you. You had to bury a dead box.
00:38:40
Speaker 4: My god, Miranda Lambert. I just called Miranda. I’ve got tequila. She wouldn’t ask any questions.
00:38:48
Speaker 1: She would she’s so tough.
00:38:49
Speaker 8: Meghan Patrick, I’ll call her back up. Miranda and Megan, I’m good.
00:38:56
Speaker 1: That’s a good one.
00:38:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, okay, that’s good.
00:38:58
Speaker 1: Now, I would like to Who’s who’s your dead body? Jamie? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Jamie Davis, my best buddy from back home. People do it. We’ve actually talked about been a couple.
00:39:13
Speaker 5: They weren’t human, but they weren’t human bodies, but we know where we would All right, let’s do one more person, then we’ll transition to some other stuff.
00:39:22
Speaker 1: Uh late for dinner? Mine would be you? Who who you could fight? Or late for a co you know they’re going to be late?
00:39:31
Speaker 4: God hmm, yeah that’s tough.
00:39:35
Speaker 1: Who’s I think mine would be you? What am I late? Guy? Yeah? I mean I am too.
00:39:43
Speaker 4: I’m like I was late today. I mean, but I mean, I don’t know.
00:39:48
Speaker 2: Do you feel like I’m late? We right, I don’t feel like I do feel like you’re not. You’re not like thirty. No, you’re not late, guy, you’re not getting into artists. I know who Bobby pension on them out on the couch, on the couch, but I have to knock on the door around.
00:40:08
Speaker 1: Put your pants on.
00:40:09
Speaker 4: Yes, that literally happens.
00:40:11
Speaker 1: Literally, Who’s who’s your late? Every time? I think it is me? I think it’s me. I think it’s you.
00:40:18
Speaker 7: For damn.
00:40:19
Speaker 1: Sorry, but it’s usually both of us. Late. Do you ever go in to write with because.
00:40:25
Speaker 4: Okay, that’s good.
00:40:26
Speaker 5: I like, mind would be you. You don’t have to say their name. We’re moving a little bit. Worst date you ever had?
00:40:34
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know, I tell you exactly. Can I tell you what he said?
00:40:37
Speaker 1: I just want to know that. I just want to know what happened.
00:40:41
Speaker 8: His name, because he was forgotten. He literally the second he said these words, check please.
00:40:47
Speaker 1: I was out. Okay, sat there, okay, so like where you left the date, I mean wrapped, wrapped it up, wrapped it up.
00:40:56
Speaker 8: So it was like an early Nashville has just just moved here, starting to date on whatever. And you know, we’re on the music business. You know, who else are you going to meet? You know, going out to writers’ nights and stuff like that. So anyway, he was a musician, that’s all I remember. He should have known better, That’s all I’m saying. So we’re sitting there at dinner and George Jones had just passed away, which I was devastated about, literally like really heartbroken about George. And but I said something about George Jones passing away. That’s all I said. Though some point he goes, well, I’m glad I hated his voice. He literally said I hate George Jones’s voice singing, and I thought he was a kidding. I was like, surely, yeah, and he just kept digging.
00:41:47
Speaker 10: In on it.
00:41:47
Speaker 8: He’s like, I just hate his voice. I just hate the way he sounds. And I just I couldn’t. I was like, there’s no point of me staying here.
00:41:54
Speaker 4: So over done.
00:41:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, I’m not giving the guy grace all but like it’s sorry to say about anybody but.
00:42:03
Speaker 1: George George Jones arguably and my greatest voices of all time.
00:42:08
Speaker 8: Yeah, mount voice, Mount Rushmore, Yeah, for sure. And I was just like, we’re done, this is out.
00:42:14
Speaker 4: I’m out.
00:42:14
Speaker 1: That’s my best one. That’s okay, okay, I got here. We go one more, we’ll get on. I was gonna go fast. We’re forty minutes in this hark. Oh no, all right. Mine would be you upcoming big star.
00:42:27
Speaker 8: Oh this is so hard, there’s so many there’s you do a couple of well, Jake Worthington, Ye star for sure. Emily and Roberts. I have been writing with a lot. She is incredible Tennessee goal.
00:42:40
Speaker 1: Great voice.
00:42:41
Speaker 4: It’s really great. Oh gosh, I’ll.
00:42:43
Speaker 1: Just give you one more.
00:42:44
Speaker 5: I’ll give you one more and that’s it. Okay, worst show you ever played? Mine would be you show. What’s the worst show this show? Mine would be you Tullahom Tess. No, no, I’m just saying, yeah, oh my gosh, oh man, yeah, we can both we get all through about this. The worst show, the worst show I remember ever playing, or one of the it’s not worst show, but there’s so many. One of the ones was that guy in Texas that it up after every song, remember that? And oh yeah, we played John T floors and after every song and we were grooving that night.
00:43:18
Speaker 4: Were f would be you really literally really gross.
00:43:23
Speaker 8: One of those high money gigs that you’re just I call them money grab like you’re just doing it for the money.
00:43:28
Speaker 4: It’s a soulless and me and j R.
00:43:31
Speaker 8: My husband was he’s which he’s got the greatest guitars in my I live with a man that grewing guitars at my house, right yeah, yeah, And he’s an incredible guitar player, incredible singer. We’re having we’re doing the money grab together, trying to make you know, put shoes on the babies and every time he would play the Guy, there would be some drunk guy out going, hey, you need to stop playing that guitar sounds terrible.
00:43:55
Speaker 4: Let her sing.
00:43:56
Speaker 8: It was just the most bizarre, worst and I felt terrible and I’m wanting to just like ream this guy and it was just it was bad.
00:44:08
Speaker 1: I can’t, I mean I can’t. There’s there’s like the ones that the sound was.
00:44:13
Speaker 4: Messed up, and oh yeah, there’s a million of those.
00:44:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don’t. I don’t think we ever had one that.
00:44:18
Speaker 4: Like, I don’t know that something happened when we walk off staff.
00:44:22
Speaker 1: Okay, give us us, I’ll get a I didn’t realize we were forty en okay, yeah to be No, okay, we’re rolling for a little bit. Yeah, I’m good. My guys, can I can be late? See, I’m the guy. I am the late guy. We got time.
00:44:34
Speaker 5: Uh, tell us, just give us a brief rundown of of of your musical journey. How you came to even be here. You were obviously always a singer.
00:44:42
Speaker 8: Yes, well, I come from nobody in my family. I don’t know about y’all, but nobody did music. No very blue collar carpenters. My granddaddy was a Carpenter’s probably my biggest influence. His work ethic and he was artistic though when I look back at his carpentry, you know, looking back and he was making cabinets all day, but I can remember him taking me out at the shop and be working on something more nate, you know, and kind of think about that, like songwriting. Like most days I’m right writing a lot of just custom cabinets or sorry, you know, factory cabinets. Some days I get to write a custom job, like mindould you? But so but then my dad, like I said, he’s a painter, So there was some creativity going on.
00:45:21
Speaker 4: But nobody’s singing. But everybody in my family loved country music.
00:45:24
Speaker 8: And when it came time to go figure out what you’re gonna do school, college, I mean I was already playing in bands, like we all were, you know, just playing playing Remember, oh god, I was in a band called Burning Las Vegas. I was a background singer. Yeah that was fun. Yeah, So I just music. There was just nothing else. I was good at, y’all, I mean seriously, And I was one of the girls. And you know, I worked at Subway, I worked at sears, I worked at the car auction, I worked at drag cleaner. I was always working, but I was also like, going, what’s gonna happen. I mean, I’m either gonna just find just a day job that I hate where I’ve got to figure because I was terrible in school, barely scrape for every C I got, and.
00:46:09
Speaker 4: When it came time to go to college, it was just like, I don’t know what I’m gonna do.
00:46:12
Speaker 8: So I went to MTSU, which is a blood looking back because it’s so close to Nashville. It is great because I could just drive here, and that’s really where my education was, going to Bluebird, going to Third and Lensley, meeting people and singing. And I sang harmony in most of the bands that I was in in college, and so when I moved here, I thought that’s what I would do. I had a real simple goal. It was like, I just don’t want to work those jobs anymore. I just want to make a living making music. And so I feel like God put me in the in the backup singing world, which led to the songwriting world, which led to you know, so many other places. Songwriting felt the best, though, when I did the artist thing for a second, I never, it just never fit.
00:46:53
Speaker 4: I would try. I just I had the like stamina, the work ethic.
00:46:57
Speaker 8: I love to travel, but I just didn’t like to do the same thing every day, like sing the same songs. And that’s why songwriting felt so right, because it’s like every day is a whole different day and got a blank canvas.
00:47:09
Speaker 1: You know, it works perfect for us adhd to but.
00:47:14
Speaker 8: Yet still blue collar, like still have kind of a nine to five thing. I also always knew that I wanted to be a mother, So it’s the perfect job because I still get to make it, you know, for pickup or soccer practice or what.
00:47:27
Speaker 5: Speaking of being a mother, daughter’s got a bit, she’s got a great Yeah. I just saw that video of y’all. He was playing it earlier and I was like, oh, she’s singing harmony. He was like, no, dude, she’s singing yeah.
00:47:40
Speaker 1: I mean exactly like you.
00:47:43
Speaker 4: I mean, she’s just she’s starting to figure it out. It’s so good.
00:47:47
Speaker 8: She plays fiddle, she sings my son’s play, and you know it’s just in their blood.
00:47:52
Speaker 1: Did you see it early early early on? What was what was?
00:47:55
Speaker 8: I always can sing harmony, like you know, just yeah, but I don’t y’all feel like you either kind of it’d be hard to learn harmony.
00:48:02
Speaker 4: I feel like you either have an air for it.
00:48:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I’ve been singing harmony since I.
00:48:05
Speaker 4: Yeah, she definitely just had she I never heard her learn harmony.
00:48:09
Speaker 8: She just would sing with us, but no, she’s been kind of shy about it till recent like starting to sing more. And I think just having two parents that do it that has to probably make you either want to do it or not want to do it at all. She’s seen the whole, all the ups and downs of it too, so we’ll see what happened.
00:48:27
Speaker 1: What does she what’s her like? Who does she love to listen to?
00:48:30
Speaker 4: She she likes her voice is really cool.
00:48:33
Speaker 8: She lies like a Nora Jones more that kind of thing going to Like Whereas I was like big singers like Aretha Franklin, you know.
00:48:40
Speaker 3: You hit.
00:48:44
Speaker 1: Yeah on the way in, I was like, I guarantee you.
00:48:46
Speaker 8: She a lot of Bonnie, a lot of Aretha, Carla bon a lot of people southern California, Emmy Lou but a lot of guys. I mean, I sing in my mind, I sing and I write like a man like That’s why I’ve kind of done most of that in my songwriting career is usually male songs. There’s obviously some women that having loved writing with, but in my mind, I write like a guy.
00:49:10
Speaker 4: I sing like a guy. Yeah, but yeah, she’s got a great one.
00:49:13
Speaker 1: What’s on her playlist? Like if she gets in your cards, a.
00:49:17
Speaker 8: Lot of Fleetwood Max, she loves Stevie Nick. Oh yeah, she’s got great days. She loves emylu she’s got us for parents. You know, she’s all right, but then she keeps me like Sabrina Carpenter. You know, she’s sixteen, so like she’s telling me. And that’s what’s so fun about writing with Magnaroni right now and having songs out with her is that I get to write songs that my daughter and her friends actually you know, would go to those concerts and listen to.
00:49:42
Speaker 4: And it’s not just mom’s music.
00:49:43
Speaker 5: Yeah you know, yeah, it’s awesome cool. We took our kids to uh to the Bootlegger thing this last weekend. My baby was, I mean, Luke didn’t even go on to like na or no sorry eight eight my my baby. I have a po I thought he’s out at seven, right, So I’m just like man y’all go to the show. I’ll take him back to because I mean, you know, I’ve seen that show a lot, right, but I hadn’t seen him play uh the new stuff back in the South.
00:50:16
Speaker 1: I hadn’t seen him do that. I didn’t get sit so kid fell asleep. It’s fine.
00:50:22
Speaker 5: I sat in like the writer’s room, little cabin thing they had backstage, and just held him while I was kind of listening to Luke a little bit. And but my the rest of my family was out with jumps and reading. His kids out there watching the show. And my wife sent me a video of boon And on Oklahoma.
00:50:41
Speaker 1: It’s like he’s he’s three. He goes turn it off.
00:50:49
Speaker 10: I love it.
00:50:50
Speaker 5: He’s already he’s already like into that, like so cool. He already knows and like my our nanny was. He said the other day that he was like he was in this, I mean, strapped into his car seat. He’s like, hey, who wrote this?
00:51:03
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, what I don’t know?
00:51:06
Speaker 1: And it’s what I’m saying.
00:51:06
Speaker 4: When you’re living and breathing it.
00:51:08
Speaker 1: They see that.
00:51:09
Speaker 4: They see it every day. They hear those conversations.
00:51:12
Speaker 5: They think, Dylan Marlow. Our kids think Dylan Marlow and el are like as high as you they see Luke and there, like I.
00:51:20
Speaker 1: Was telling, I was telling room we got her.
00:51:23
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, we spent a whole day on the beach with Luke and his kids and had a great time. And then that night, you know, they were like, hey, mis uncle Luke, can you can you you know, hand me that toy or give me that shovel. And then that night they got turtles and one of them was named They named one of them Dilly and the other one Marla. So it’s like Dylan Marlow and Ella Lanley are like their mount. Yeah, Uncle Luke, Dad’s friend.
00:51:52
Speaker 3: Totally.
00:51:56
Speaker 4: How have you you’ve been doing this for how long? Forever twenty something years?
00:52:01
Speaker 1: How have you found how have.
00:52:03
Speaker 2: You found the longevity in your career? You know, like like, yeah, you know you’re talking about you you live like you live in ninety five. But yeah, you’re you’re having hits consistently and yeah, and you’re you’re you’re getting in with these artists who are who are up and coming and then the biggest of the big like how you know, what’s your process and through that, through that.
00:52:21
Speaker 8: Journey, I think you there’s definitely times I’ve had to reinvent myself. Like after the Climb, people thought, oh, oh the Clme girl, the Clime girl.
00:52:29
Speaker 4: Oh shit.
00:52:29
Speaker 8: Well, and I’d been writing songs for ten years, yeah, and country songs like not not pop songs. So I didn’t know who Hannah Montana was, you know, And so when that song became a hit, it was like, oh. Everyone around me it was like, oh see, you should have been writing pop music, you know.
00:52:45
Speaker 4: And I was like, really, I don’t even listen.
00:52:47
Speaker 1: To pop music. Right in billion streams? Right a billion?
00:52:50
Speaker 8: We just said a billion, but I think, you know, I kind of got pushed into this world of like pop music and franchised Disney song you sound tracks, all this stuff, and it was like whoa I just got I was like, no, that’s not what I do. And I had to reinvent myself and come back to Nashville. I was always living here, but just mentally and go, I’m not that anymore. I’m a country songwriter and I’ve made my publishers. I said, no more. I’m not singing in the room. I’m writing with males. I’m writing men, you know, men’s songs. And I think everybody’s like what you just had a huge song by a fifteen year old on pop radio. But I had to change and shift, and I remember the first couple of rites. The guys are like, why do you you know?
00:53:35
Speaker 4: Do we? Why are you here?
00:53:36
Speaker 8: Kind of ye And I had to prove myself like I can write in mine would you be was written in that?
00:53:42
Speaker 4: And drink on it and those songs. But so that was one of the times.
00:53:45
Speaker 8: There was another time after some success that I felt like some big doors were opening with bigger writers.
00:53:52
Speaker 4: And I don’t typically chase those. I tend to try to go what do I love?
00:53:57
Speaker 8: But who who do I hear in a writer’s round and I’m just mesmerized by Josh Thompson, you know, Chase McGill. Yeah, those type people. I’ve never followed the popularity train. I think that’s kept me, hopefully someone Jodie Riley Green. I mean I heard Burry Me and Dixie from a YouTube and I was like, just you know, and now look at our career together like all these years later. So I think just not chasing things, if I could maybe put it in one sentence, is like just not chasing Yeah.
00:54:27
Speaker 5: I Actually I had a girl come up to me at the bonfire and ask, hey, what can I I want to be a songwriter?
00:54:34
Speaker 1: What can I do? And my answer was moved to Nashville, right.
00:54:40
Speaker 5: Like as weird first, yeah, yeah, And I said, I said, I think you can make a noise on socials. I think that’s a new thing that you can like kind of put some stuff out there. So if my advice to you would be, like put some stuff out there. Number one, number two moved to Nashville. So I would like to ask y’all for her, what what’s your advice on if somebody wants to be a songwriter right now, they have no connections, they have a pocket full of songs, what what are some things that could get them in the business.
00:55:16
Speaker 1: Number one number two have some longevity like you’ve had, Like what would you do?
00:55:20
Speaker 8: I mean it’s I think now I wouldn’t even know because the technology, like she could get on TikTok and you know, start and there’s that. But I agree with you moving to Nashville because if you were an actor and you lived in Kansas City, like you know, you need to move in LA. You know, it’s it’s hard to get the gig if you’re not there. So I do believe that, but I think for me, what really clicked. And people just don’t like this answer when I say it, probably because it’s like, oh, of course, But it’s just like work ethic, just just like a dog.
00:55:52
Speaker 4: I mean every day.
00:55:54
Speaker 8: I mean I never I remember early on thinking a song would be precious and that would slow me down actually because it’s like nope, next, and I wouldn’t just next song, next song, next song, next song. And I would treat those early years that I was here and didn’t have anything going on. I would wake up and you know, just treat it like a job. Who did I meet last night? I got a call?
00:56:15
Speaker 4: And who did I Who could?
00:56:16
Speaker 8: I think that helped me? You know who can phone calls? Well, let me rework that song. Hey I met that guy. He’s connections. It’s really a connect right.
00:56:25
Speaker 4: It’s all who you know.
00:56:26
Speaker 8: So I would just tell her to get here, get in the mix, go to shows, write as many songs as she can.
00:56:32
Speaker 1: And with whoever, get in the game.
00:56:34
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think I think that’s like grassroots in it that way and getting your hands dirty, because I mean, like I think, especially in this life where you can order if you need a phone charger, it can be there by this afternoon and you don’t have to go to Walmart to get it, Like you can literally just hit your phone and it’ll be there. And I think the times we’re living in now, people succumb to that feeling a lot, like they want to wait on things. They expect things to happen for me because it’s so instantly, such an instantaneous culture, and I feel like this is not that like like like a career sometimes is that if you do this whole social thing, but like getting here, moving here, getting to the bars, going to songwriters rounds, meeting people, being uncomfortable, putting yourself in uncomfortable situations, playing shows wherever you can play them, and just start doing the thing.
00:57:23
Speaker 4: Just start doing the ground.
00:57:24
Speaker 5: It’s funny you say that about going to writers rounds and hearing people that inspire you. I remember, uh, that was my move. I would go to like even Commodore. You remember, is that still going. I don’t know, yeah, they would at the Commodore. They would have like it.
00:57:39
Speaker 1: Don’t pay, I don’t know, opening my eyes or whatever.
00:57:43
Speaker 5: They just come and play or being around. And I remember going, Okay, that’s not for me, not for me, Not for me. That guy’s pretty good. Hey, what’s up on this guy? Oh he’s he writes with so and so. Who has anybody that had.
00:57:54
Speaker 1: A deal when you’re like, oh, yeah, gosh, can just get one right with you? You know? Yeah? And finding you your way?
00:58:01
Speaker 5: And there’s no correct answer to that, because there’s so many different ways you can avenues you can take to become a professional songwriter.
00:58:10
Speaker 1: But for me, that was that was exactly what I want.
00:58:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, and be a student.
00:58:13
Speaker 8: That’s what I always tell my kids, Like, you know, one of my sons is learning photography right now, sports photography, And I’m like, you just have to go out there when you’re on the field, like ask questions that the guys that are older than you and and be that. And I mean if someone came up to me at the Bluebird and the if they asked me a question about my guitar, that would immediately engage me. It’s not hey, do you want to write? It’s hey, tell me about what tuning were you in? And immediately I’m endeared because like about and that’s something I want to talk about. So I think it’s like being a student, being humble, but also knowing you’re worth and just yeah, it’s a little bit of everything.
00:58:54
Speaker 3: You know.
00:58:54
Speaker 5: Yeah, who are some writers? We don’t have much time, and I’m curious, I know, you your catalog and who you write with. Who are some guys that are girls that you were coming into town? You were like, man, that’s north Star, Yeah, whore writers.
00:59:10
Speaker 4: Bob McDill was always the number one.
00:59:13
Speaker 1: I missed him.
00:59:13
Speaker 8: He was, I mean, he was gone like when I but like his songs like good old boys like me, like Number well, you know, all those songs that don’t close your eyes and so many let’s see. But even like Hank Junior like just simple. I mean I just like simple songs that they paint a picture. Obviously, matrasa Berg was just incredible, is an incredible songwriter. But even like Daily Murphy, I love gosh so many. Garry Nicholson was a big influence on me. Yeah, that guy’s so amazing.
00:59:54
Speaker 2: You just yeah, it’s I mean, and I got to do it with y’all, you know, coming into town on kind of having some of those doors kind of cracked open by Dan Jonathan, but like watching my early days the same thing. It’s like it’s like get in these rooms and listen more than you talk, and watch a pro do pro thing, which is.
01:00:16
Speaker 1: Tough for us to do. Man, absolutely, because we’re mega talkers. Show.
01:00:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you just if you just watch somebody who was the best at their craft do that craft over and over and over and over. There ain’t a book out there you can read that you’re going to learn as much as you do. Get in the room with with and listen. It’s it’s really hard to get in the rooms with those guys and girls.
01:00:36
Speaker 1: But when you do.
01:00:37
Speaker 8: Man, oh, Alan Shamblin, someone like that, I finally got to write with a couple of years ago, but like he was someone that is just.
01:00:44
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can’t be discouraged by not getting in those rooms early. You remember when I think he’s perfect. I saw him yesterday. I think he’s perfectly father, let’s have this conversation. Third, Yeah, killer, I’m just talking about Jim Beavers with you. You’re like, Man, I don’t think Jim Beer likes me.
01:01:01
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever told him that, but yeah, now he knows.
01:01:05
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so many and just be just every day you get her. I still feel that way though.
01:01:11
Speaker 8: You write and but Also, I think I heard Shane mc mcinnelly say this just on one time. It’s like if I was telling her, don’t worry just so much about getting in the room with Jonathan or or you know, maybe your people, your your crew will have a Jonathan and it’ll have an Ashley Gorley, it’ll have Dan Reid. You know, it’s like, don’t worry so much if I get in the room. I always thought that I could just those ten those first ten years, man, if I could just get in that room with Hillary Lindsay, I could get.
01:01:38
Speaker 1: A hit, you know. But it’s like, turns out you are room.
01:01:41
Speaker 8: But yeah, you don’t know that, And so you I would say to her or anybody at that level, like look around, one of your buddies is the next songwriter of the Year or the next Riley Green and right with them, you know.
01:01:54
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, you just kind of have to.
01:01:57
Speaker 5: It’s hard to know at that time in your life that you’re worth anything totally, right, Like you just feel like everything’s on avenue and you have to get to this next level. And if I could get to this, and then you get in there with that person and you realize that they’re just a person.
01:02:15
Speaker 1: Like you yeah, you know, and you’re like, oh, okay, so maybe I do have some worth and.
01:02:20
Speaker 4: You want to quit so many times, so many times.
01:02:23
Speaker 1: What’s the closest you ever came to quit?
01:02:26
Speaker 8: So many there’s some dark last week, yeah, yeah, exactly it was. There’s some dark, dark days, like just getting beat down. You know, you have the hold and they’re they’re gonna cut it, and then they don’t cut it.
01:02:42
Speaker 5: What’s the closest, Like gosh, for example, we sang harmony on a David Nail cut when.
01:02:50
Speaker 1: I had Yeah you Think and even else next single.
01:02:54
Speaker 5: Frank Hatison the same harmony, and then like we were so excited. I was checking Instagram every day. Yeah, and then he posts something where he was like, just went down to Panama City and wrote eight songs with my new favorite song.
01:03:07
Speaker 1: I was like God, and the song didn’t even make the record.
01:03:10
Speaker 8: Yes, there’s so many heartbreaks like mine are two just I call them song babies, and I say this, say this sometimes it gigs because it’s like, you want your song baby, just like my children.
01:03:23
Speaker 4: You want y’all children. You wanted to get married, you want to go.
01:03:25
Speaker 8: To college, get a ground now or whatever and be the best and one day have you grandbabies the fulfill their largest life.
01:03:33
Speaker 4: So when I write a song, you want that, you want the win, you know, the big win.
01:03:38
Speaker 8: What breaks my heart is a song like the Way I Talk, which we thought when we wrote that song Morgan walland cut it.
01:03:45
Speaker 4: We’re like, this is it. This is a hit, this is a hit song. This is gonna be It’s gonna be right.
01:03:50
Speaker 8: But like when it died at thirty or they pulled it or whatever happened, it was like the end of the world to me. And it’s because my baby didn’t get to go number one. And now it’s you know, he ends the show with this song. It sixty thousand people just saying it in Boston.
01:04:06
Speaker 4: I got to hear that.
01:04:06
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, it’s great, but it just people don’t realize how much we invest in these songs and we think, you know, you’re just they’re going to be it’s not about the money.
01:04:16
Speaker 4: Is as much as the you want that song to be known.
01:04:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, and later later in your career, it’s not about the money. Yeah, early money. I was sitting on it.
01:04:26
Speaker 2: I was sitting on a wide oak turkey hunting when I got a text that Rascal Flats is cutting a song and I didn’t even have a I didn’t even.
01:04:34
Speaker 1: Have a deal at this time. Was a song that we wrote? What was it? Was a song? Cover songs? Oh yeah, yeah. And I had two dollars and like forty something.
01:04:42
Speaker 2: I literally I remember I took a snapshot on my phone because I had two dollars and forty something cents in my bank account, and I was like, this is the story I’m going to tell man.
01:04:50
Speaker 1: Of course, back then you’re hanging on every little hour, it was just a phone call.
01:04:58
Speaker 2: I mean, somebody’s phone name pop up on your phone. It’s a huge deal. But I remember I was like, this is the story I tell man, Like the day that my life changed was me sitting on this thing and rest. And he got all the way the end and I kept on. I was like Laurel Kittles and I was like, hey, how’s this song doing.
01:05:14
Speaker 1: They love it? They still love it, and then just you know, just like they did, and nothing but the album came out and on there.
01:05:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, people don’t see all those you know, well, they hurt. They hurt real bad.
01:05:26
Speaker 2: I learned some lessons on the backs of those tunes. But it’s also you can’t they do hurt, but you can’t like you can’t let them see.
01:05:37
Speaker 8: I really that’s my motto is just keep writing, keep working, because you can just get lost.
01:05:41
Speaker 4: And is that going to be a single?
01:05:44
Speaker 1: Especially the ones you love?
01:05:46
Speaker 8: Yeah?
01:05:46
Speaker 4: Exactly.
01:05:48
Speaker 1: Tell me about Megan Maroney? How fun is that?
01:05:51
Speaker 4: She’s awesome? What an incredible songwriter? Single just came out right, Yes, song you wrote about your daughter, Beautiful Things.
01:05:58
Speaker 8: Yeah, it’s been really fun with her, Like I said, just to write songs about my kids ages, you know, just like she is the voice to this generation and so like I, it’s been fun for me because there’ll be things that are go on in high school or my daughter will tell me about.
01:06:14
Speaker 4: Oh that’s that’s good. We’ll weave it into these songs, you know.
01:06:18
Speaker 8: And Meghan Maroney is just an amazing she’s a force, just you know, a great songwriter, singer.
01:06:25
Speaker 4: French has been wonderful to me.
01:06:27
Speaker 8: But yeah, we went on writing retreat and wrote a bunch of songs for the album and this is the one that’s coming out, Beautiful Things.
01:06:34
Speaker 1: What sins?
01:06:35
Speaker 2: I’m gonna ask you this because I know you’ve worked with all of them and it felt like there was a timing country music where it was just it was male dominated, and for the past decade really there hasn’t really been somebody to come through a female wise and just take country music by storm. Now there’s really three I feel like that are and there’s a bunch on the cusp, But I feel like Meghan and Ella and Laney are just are right there. What’s and they all have their own lanes right totally? What’s de arates them?
01:07:00
Speaker 12: Like?
01:07:00
Speaker 2: What what makes them their own artists where they’re not competing with each other, that they have the room to be artists just like males across the board in country music.
01:07:09
Speaker 1: What’s what’s different about?
01:07:11
Speaker 8: It feels like they’re each a voice for a different girl or a different you know what I’m saying.
01:07:16
Speaker 1: Or a different like if you what you’re saying, she’s not real.
01:07:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it’s like if we were in high school.
01:07:21
Speaker 8: You know, Megan’s talking to this group of girls, and Ella’s talking to this group, and Lady’s you know, and they all just are so prolific and so good at putting words together and making you feel like you know them.
01:07:34
Speaker 4: You know, I feel like I know all those girls.
01:07:36
Speaker 8: When I listen to music and you’re kind of looking in their soul and their heart.
01:07:40
Speaker 4: They’re all vulnerable.
01:07:41
Speaker 1: There’s plenty of room too different.
01:07:43
Speaker 8: And then their look, I mean visually that’s become a big thing in country music. It’s just they look different and they I just think they’re representing so well.
01:07:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, sos, the songs are stout.
01:07:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don’t know a tough songs are good songs, are real, real good singer lives.
01:08:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that’s what’s so cool, you know, And that’s what you know.
01:08:05
Speaker 8: Lauretta Lynne, she wrote exactly what she was seeing Tammy Wyett all the people that I grew up listening to.
01:08:12
Speaker 4: I feel like this generation is doing that.
01:08:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:08:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you have a voice, a beautiful voice. Can we expect another record from you?
01:08:21
Speaker 10: Yes?
01:08:21
Speaker 4: I have actually been working on something very excited.
01:08:25
Speaker 1: What inspires you like that?
01:08:27
Speaker 8: Because it’s yeah, yeah, Typically it’s.
01:08:31
Speaker 4: Like not something that I want.
01:08:34
Speaker 8: It’s like I’m so busy, you know, Like making a record is like, oh gosh, a little bit of an undertaking. But this summer I took a lot of time off to be just home with the kids and whatnot, and a song kept knocking on the door for me, you know, when you can’t let one go.
01:08:51
Speaker 4: And it’s a song that I finally just said.
01:08:54
Speaker 8: I was like, I kept thinking, I’ll wait and when I get back to work, I’ll show this to somebody, but it just every day it’s my baby. Yeah, so I wrote it and it’s kind of gonna be the concept centerpiece to the record. But yeah, it’s gonna be really cool. I’m working on right now, so that’s exciting next year. But but yeah, I think usually the songs, the songs are what make me want to write put out a record because usually they’re a song that no one else like Decatur County Red, Whoever’s gonna who else gonna sing?
01:09:22
Speaker 1: Now?
01:09:23
Speaker 4: You know, Mama drank like these songs. So that’s usually what instigates it.
01:09:27
Speaker 1: It’s exciting.
01:09:30
Speaker 5: Plays so bad, but I’m not going to no no, no, no, wait wait, will you play us a great the last.
01:09:36
Speaker 1: Thing we do in the show. You spend an hour and a half. Ye, what uh, what’s your favorite?
01:09:42
Speaker 4: It’s gonna have to be.
01:09:44
Speaker 8: I mean, one of the greatest country songs in my mind ever written, the most raw, real deal, and that’s Old Habits. Thank Williams Junior I mean right, it just hurts. Oh yeah, slowly dirty.
01:10:02
Speaker 13: I can’t the habit smoking back sometime ago, and I tried the heart stuff that I had to let all their God.
01:10:26
Speaker 12: The toughest thing I ever gave up. Well today, old.
01:10:39
Speaker 14: Habits luck you hold braid, old habits like you.
01:10:54
Speaker 3: Old braid love ws.
01:11:05
Speaker 1: So hard to me.
01:11:12
Speaker 4: And I had now soy.
01:11:16
Speaker 10: And all of you, Yeah, old have It’s lucky.
01:11:28
Speaker 1: Old Jesse Allen exothes bodies. You’re an old habit that don’t need to break.
01:11:39
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, I keep doing your thing. You man, you’re a staple in in this community. Your staple and country music and your songs have been listening to you know, your your billions.
01:11:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, you’re in.
01:11:51
Speaker 2: You’re in the thread of country music. And uh and thanks for for being honest in your tunes. Thanks for for the work ethic you’ve gotten and uh yeah, being somebody that somebody like me moving to town can look up to and inspiring.
01:12:03
Speaker 1: Why no doubt that.
01:12:06
Speaker 4: Thank y’all.
01:12:06
Speaker 1: Thanks coming on. We got you a little present.
01:12:11
Speaker 2: Bom boom boom boom boom, a little kvas I love Takovas.
01:12:15
Speaker 1: There you go there take away.
01:12:18
Speaker 8: Thanks for coming out. Thank y’all so much. I’m a fan what you’re doing.
01:12:24
Speaker 2: Thank you, guys, Western, Yes right, west Ham guys, Country will check you out next time.
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