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Speaker 1: Smell off. Now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia met Heater Podcast.
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Speaker 2: Here do we start?
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Speaker 3: Sorry about that, folks, Phil started the time relate. So now it’s eleven oh one, So my entire script is off, beginning with the very first sentence, Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It’s eleven oh one, am Mountain Tim.
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Speaker 2: It’s just such a sorry. Phil had to throw somebody on.
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Speaker 3: That on Thursday to nineteen twenty six. We usually write that out and we’re live for Meat Eater HQ and Bozeman, Montana. I’m your host, Randall William, joined today by my dear friends and trusted colleagues, Giannis Pitelis and Sethrie Morris.
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Speaker 1: Good morning three. That’s new. I’ve never heard that before.
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Speaker 2: I just came out.
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Speaker 3: We’ve got a great show for you today. First, we’re going to talk to Scott Heidebrink from American Prairie about the most high profile Buffalo related news story and recent headlines.
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Speaker 2: We’re gonna have a little old fashioned show and tell sesh.
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Speaker 3: We’re gonna talk to Clay and Bear Newcombe about some exciting developments in the Bear Grease universe. We’ve got I reused the word excited. We’ve got some exciting announcements coming at the end of the show, but mostly we’ll just enjoy time spent in the company of friends and savor our time with you, loyal Radio Live audience.
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Speaker 2: Welcome. Seth Giannest. How you boys doing today?
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Speaker 1: Fantastic? Yeah, I’m doing great now that you set us up for the next hour. That way, just getting to hang out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, our buddies, I mean, that’s that’s what it’s all about, right, that’s casting, as we call them. The is just podcasting, just podding. Yeah, cold here in Bozeman today.
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Speaker 4: Oh what a shine to the system this morning? When I went out to start my truck. Yeah, it was so cold my radio wouldn’t work it started. Oh, you have some electrical problems apparently.
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Speaker 2: Geez.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that thing really has been a lemon. Huh, it has been. I’m sorry for you.
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Speaker 3: Thankfully Ford doesn’t sponsor this program, Seth.
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Speaker 2: How’s your weekend?
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Speaker 1: Where I got it? Did weekends great? Uh.
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Speaker 4: I did a lot of hiking around this weekend, which they don’t usually do. Very nice, which was nice, just to get out. Yeah, it’s kind of it’s it’s like a weird this winter has been weird. And I’ve said this a bunch of times before, but there’s like bad ice everywhere, but not like really open water. So the fishing program has been you know Jones. Yeah, Yeah, I’m Jones, and yeah, I been consuming a lot of fishing content you have.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
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Speaker 3: He was just telling me this morning about some some updates in the bass fishing world.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that’s not an update. That’s just like a it’s just a fun little tidbit.
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Speaker 2: For those of us who don’t follow. It was quite an update. Shock.
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Speaker 1: Really, I think you’re gonna have to give us some info now that you guys brought this up.
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Speaker 4: I was showing Randall Lucas Black. He’s a he’s an actor. You know this guy.
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Speaker 5: Phil never heard of him. He was on Fast and Furious. That’s why I have bade. Yeah, I’m looking him up right now.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, I could have sworn he was in the Skulls.
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Speaker 4: He’s like a professional Joshua chairman angler now really yeah, good for him, and he’s fishing right now in a tournament.
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Speaker 5: Oh, he’s on the n CIS show. Yeah, n CIS.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was in Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift it’s interesting. Yeah, well I thought I thought that was fascinating.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Randall, what’s uh, We’re not that interesting. What’s going on with you? Tell us something interesting?
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Speaker 3: Well, I thought you were going to tell us a little bit about your weekend last week, and you were with all the oh dowtf. Yeah, a little bit of fomo you had fomo, Yeah, I had fomo.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, from from.
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Speaker 1: The Turkey Convention. Yeah. It’s one of my favorite things ever. Turkey’s Turkey on. Yeah. It’s just it’s a lot, man, It’s a big place with a lot of people. It’s great to see the enthusiasm right of all all these Turkey fans. We helped MC host the Grand Slam after party on Friday night and helped raise a bunch of money for NWTF, sell some raffle tickets that went good. We told some stories, played some trivia, had a hoot owl contest, which you know, you would think you’re an NWTF like it would just be no problem to find just twenty of them that sound just like a damn owl. Really sad, I don’t know if we’re just somehow we’re still looking in the wrong places where we’re not getting the word out that or it’s only Clay and I that actually appreciate someone that can actually do a good voice awl cal Well.
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Speaker 3: I also feel like in the past we’ve we feel like we’ve heard good ow you know, it’s always the last place where we heard some good ones. Or last year we heard some good ones and maybe we’re just.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear a couple three good ones? And we had that at the at the convention too. But again we were thinking that like, oh my god, it’s gonna be very tough to vet this crowd to get eight of them to get come on stage, because we’re going to have fifty good ones. Yeah, it wasn’t the case. The next day we hung out in the booth for about six hours and it actually wasn’t too bad. But and that’s my favorite part because you just talk to fans coming through and it’s good to get the one on one feedback, you know, and hear what they appreciate about what we do. M H. So yeah, I got this fancy hat here.
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Speaker 3: It looks goods Oh it’s an nw that’s a Turkey feather m H.
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Speaker 2: Fascinating Turkey.
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Speaker 1: The first light NWTF collab with. I can’t remember how much of the proceeds go to NWTF. But a bunch. So if you want to support turkeys and you like the hat, there, you go very cool.
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Speaker 3: And set’s wearing a custom made hat. Yeah, show it to the camera, would you please.
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Speaker 1: You can’t buy it anywhere. You can’t wear that one unless you offer me money and I can sell it to you or not.
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Speaker 3: You can’t buy Redman Tournament Trail Bass Fishing Tournament patch on it.
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Speaker 1: Old school.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is no red Man anymore.
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Speaker 4: Nope, it’s America’s best. But back in the day, red Man used to sponsor.
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Speaker 1: Oh they changed the name.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, changed understandably. Understandably. Well, ye, honest, since you asked about my weekend, I’ll tell you.
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Speaker 3: A little bit about my weekend. You did that before I asked you about your weekend. On on Thursday, Steve and I went to Cody and we went to the Cody Firearms Museum. Shout out to Danny and Emma there. Gave us a little tour, saw some super cool stuff.
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Speaker 1: I think they run the joint. Uh.
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Speaker 3: Danny is the curator of the firearms collection, and then Emma is from their marketing team. And we got to hold guns, one of which was owned by Oliveryt and Johnson, the inspiration for Jeremiah Johnson, and then the other one, the Provedance, is a little more cloudy, but allegedly belonged to one Jed Smith. So some real mountain man heavy hitters there.
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Speaker 1: That place is so impressive. I was there last winter.
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Speaker 2: I think it’s cool.
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Speaker 3: I think you said they had six thousand firearms in the collection or on display one of the two, and that they have drawers you can just pull out drawers full of guns.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and my.
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Speaker 3: Favorite part was they have when you walk in, they have because it’s it’s made. The museum is geared both towards weirdos like myself and towards just general, you know, tourists who don’t have experience with guns, so it explains like bolt action, pump action, whatever else. And there’s a bolt action that is the most probably one of the most cycled bolt actions in the world. It’s literally falling apart because it’s probably got a million cycles on it from every kid that walks in there and does it thirty times as fast as they can. Yeah, it’s pretty weird to see what happens when you just wear one of those things out that’s cool. Afterwards, Steve and I gave a talk about the mountain men at the Cody Culture Club invited us down and one Jim Zumbo was in attendance. Local Jim Zumbo, lovely man. It’s nice to meet a living legend. And then I went to the Hunt Expo in Salt Lake.
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Speaker 2: Again.
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Speaker 3: I got to see a lot of the folks there that tune in, and it’s always nice to meet people that appreciate the weird stuff that I do and that we do together. Shout out to Kaid Loyal Media to Radio Live listener with whom I shared a multi beverage.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if he’s listening.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I think he is. I’m guessing he is. Good guy, good guy. Competitive rim fire shooter. Oh, which interests me to no end.
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Speaker 1: I’ve been doing some competitive shooting lately. I meant to talk about this, I think last week excuse me shooting bows and arrows. Oh yeah, I’m shooting my first ever league and I encourage everybody. Like. The worst part about it is realizing how much fun it is and then realizing that I haven’t done it for the last forty years like I should have been maybe or maybe not i’d be a better shooter. I don’t know, but I.
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Speaker 2: Definitely feel that way about video games.
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Speaker 1: I’ve definitely missed out on a lot of fun. Yeah, you know, and but no, it’s also fun to shoot well. And I didn’t know how well I was shooting. But my buddy Jeremy, you know, I love Jeremy, but we’ve been there’s a little bit of a gentleman’s scoring going on a little bit, and so where the eight ring and the insert outline are oftentimes can be kind of blurry. Sometimes if it’s a really big insert, it’s very clear, but other times it’s close. And sometimes if it’s just in the insert, we were like, oh, yeah, that’s an eight. Outside of the insert, it’s a five. Well, no, you got to be within the eight ring or touching the eight ring to get an eight. So I felt like, I don’t really care because I’m just like, I’m there to have fun, stretch the string, keep my bow muscles active. Well. As soon as you see your name on the leaderboard and you’re like top ten, then there’s going to be scrutiny, right, and so you can’t be like, oh, yeah, we have this gentleman’s scoring, and I you know what I mean. So I called the shop and I said, look, you guys got to knock off fifteen points off my square because I think on average we’ve probably at least been doing that once around. Now, good for you with pure honest scoring. Last night, I still shot my best.
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Speaker 2: Round ever, nicely done.
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Speaker 1: So I’m stoked. And like I said, I encourage everybody to do an archery league. Man, it’s just super fun.
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Speaker 3: Stretching the string is what is that like burning some powder in the archery world.
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Speaker 1: I guess I don’t know where I came up with that.
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Speaker 2: I like it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I’ve never heard that before.
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Speaker 2: You should make a T shirt this is stretched the string.
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Speaker 1: I’m gonna think about that for a day or two, but yeah.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 1: You love it?
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Speaker 2: Okay, very marketable. You’re done. We’re done.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can talk about an archery club for forever.
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Speaker 2: No, let’s talk to it. Let’s talk to my friends. Scott here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I’m interested to hear about what s guy has to say about the American Prairie.
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Speaker 3: Our first guest today is Scott Heidebrink, Director of Landscape Stewardship at American Prairie. Scott welcome to the show.
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Speaker 6: Hey, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 3: Appreciate it, Scott. Some of our listeners may have seen a story about a recent federal land management decision involving American Prairie. Can you give us the basics who American Prairie is, what you’re trying to do, and why you’ve been in the news lately.
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we’re a nonprofit organization. We with a goal of seeing a fully functioning ecosystem prairie ecosystem here in Montana. So that’s kind of three pillars for US land, wildlife, and people, and so focusing on habitat, the animals that use that habitat, and the people that come to see or utilize those animals on the landscape. And yeah, like you said, why we’re why we’ve been in the news is that the Bureau of Land Management and the Secretary of the Interior have have changed or may day per posed decision to cancel our bison grazing leases which have been in place for some of them for up for twenty years, and to convert them back to cattle leases.
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Speaker 2: So that’s the that’s the short story there, gotcha.
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Speaker 3: So for those who who are unfamiliar with how this stuff works. Can you explain what it means to have a BLM grazing lease and uh, how these leases factor into your bison program, because that’s that’s what you guys are really known for in a lot of ways. I think when people think American Prairie, they think bison.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Sure, So with with the BLM here in the West, where you have these public lands, they’re they’re often interspersed with private lands. And how the grazing system was set up is that when you purchase a piece of deeded property, you have the opportunity to have grazing privileges on neighboring allotments or on these federal lands. And so when you purchase these properties, you have the first shot at leasing those lands. And so when we buy property at American Prairie, we also retain those leases that go with them, and that’s integraling into our bison program. About two thirds of our acres that we have bison on our BLM acres, and so that’s how we’ve been able to grow our herds over the past twenty years, from sixteen animals in two thousand and five to the nine hundred and forty that we have right now, gotcha.
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Speaker 3: And just so you’ve got nine hundred and forty. Now I’m kind of skipping ahead a little bit, but you guys also have cattle grazing on American prairie lands. Can you give folks because you hear a lot of times like they want to replace all the cattle with buffalo. That’s sort of what some of the critics would say about your organization. Can you give us some of the statistics about cattle versus buffalo on your property? We’re on your and your leases as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have so.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, in addition to the two properties that have bison on, we have thirty six lesses across the other over five hundred thousand acres that we manage. That we have about eighty two hundred cattle right now that are grazing on these other allotments that we don’t have bison on.
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Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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Speaker 3: So bison are just a fraction of the overall grazing that happens on American prairie right.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we can figure roughly like ten percent of the land base and ten percent of the animals.
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Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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Speaker 3: Now, the BLM’s justification for revoking these leases centers on the argument that bison aren’t livestock because they’re not managed for production, and those are the words that they are using. How do you explain that legal interpretation and does it accurately reflect how you guys think of that that bison heard?
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Speaker 5: Uh?
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Speaker 6: No, it does not accurately reflect that. So, yeah, we we have always been classified as livestock in Montana. That’s the only classification we have for bison. And so over the past twenty years that we’ve owned bison, we’ve been operating under the Taylor Grazing Act. At no point has anyone told us we were not in compliance with the Act. And so, you know, when I look at our herd, we do we do manage differently. We manage you know, for even our natural sex ratios and natural herd demographics and things like that where we are a little different. But at the end of the day, we are still running in operation where we are producing animals on the landscape. We’ve produced about twenty We’ve grown twenty one hundred bison that American prairie over our first twenty years, and forty eight percent of those animals we’re either field harvested or shipped to other herds for genetics or to grow or supplement other herds. So although we do it a little differently and our management is a little different, you know, we are we are producing, we are shipping out animals, we are harvesting those animals.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would like to point out, just as sort of a for my own sake, it’s a bit of a brag. I have one of those animals in my freezer thanks to my wife’s opportunity a couple of years ago. And yeah, it’s we killed that on BLM land on one of your leases. So that’s to give folks a picture of what this looks like in the field, Like we were on BLM ground on on X when we when we shot that buffalo, Scott. There there are other there are other people grazing bison on BLM lands across the west. The BLM is acknowledged in twenty twenty two that Colorado, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, they all have federally administered leases where bison grays. How can you reconcile that, or how can they reconcile that with its current position regarding American prairie.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think there’s there’s a couple of things there. We’re looking you know there the facts that are being used to make this proposed decision are not based on what’s actually happening on the ground. They’re based on a few very vague or old quotes or documents that are being used to define our management. And so with that, I think, you know, I’ve I’ve been grazing bison for ten years now.
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Speaker 1: We we don’t.
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Speaker 6: We have never been told that we were not in compliance with this, and so it’s kind of out of left field for us. And we feel like we’re being targeted here for our specific management, even though we are producing something something on the landscape here, which is all those bison.
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Speaker 1: And so.
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Speaker 6: I think the BLM is making an effort to not impact others, but at the end of the day, it is targeting, targeting us for our different kind of management.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think we would be remiss if we didn’t acknowledge that there is controversy that bubbles up whenever American Prairie is mentioned. Your organization has critics that argue that it’s a it’s a threat to the livelihood of ranching and ranching communities. We already heard that your operation is mostly grazing cattle on lands and leases. But I’m wondering how you guys respond to those critics in terms of your relationship to the communities around American Prairie.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: So, so I’m from a rural community. I totally get the fear of you know, somebody new coming in a big landowner changes things like that, and I’m really empathetic to that. I I understand all of that, and you know, I would ask people, you know, to look at the facts and actually what’s happening on the ground out there. You know, with the eighty two hundred cattle, with the thirty some less eas We have a wild wildlife friendly land management program for private landowners with twenty one participants in it, and so, you know, at the end of the day, I think there is that fear component, but in practice, we’re we’re working with a lot of people on the landscape that have lived there for a really long time. And I think there are a lot of other factors outside of American Prairie that are really impacting the ranching community, like the demographics of the region, or policy changes at the federal level, things like that that are that are really hurting the ranching economy in the ranching community.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Scott, I at this point, I think we can assume you’ve you’ve mentioned this as a proposed decision. Can you tell us a little bit about the next steps. I assume that there’s going to be a challenge to this in the courts, and I’ve seen that some other groups have spoken up on American Prairie’s behalf. Can you tell us a little bit about, like what the road looks like ahead of you.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So we’re in this protest period right now. Well, the protest period has ended. All the protests have been turned over, and essentially what that means is that interested parties are making arguments as to why this is a valid decision or a not valid decision. And so, yeah, like you said, American Prairie, we submitted our own protests because it directly impacts us. But then groups like Western Watersheds Projects, Tonka Fund, the Coalition of Large Tribe Defenders of Wildlife have all submitted protests against this proposed decision. And so at the end of the day, Well, the BLM will analyze all these protests and they will make a final decision whether that’s to keep the current proposed decision or something else, or to go back to the old permit with the bison. There’s a wide range of options there. At the end of the day, this is likely. There’s two paths after the protest period, which are either Federal Quarter, Administrative Court, and we don’t know what route it’s going to take yet, and so either either way, it will likely head one of those routes.
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Speaker 3: Though, gotcha, and I mentioned earlier when we when I was lucky enough to go on my wife’s buffalo hunt, we ended up harvesting that animal on BLM ground. Or would would your inability to graze buffalo on BLM impact public hunting opportunities because you guys offer twenty some harvest opportunities for the public each year.
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Speaker 2: Is that going to be affected at all if this goes through.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, likely will be affected. As of right now, we’re moving forward as normal operations until we know what the BLM’s decision is. One that has made you know the bison. Two thirds of the acres that the bison are on our federal land, and so if we have to remove those bison, we have to move them to other properties or ship them to other herds, things like that, and so that will likely impact the harvest program. So, like you said, twenty to thirty opportunities a year right now that would likely be reduced or eliminated for a period of time until we’re through all the steps we need to take with the courts.
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Speaker 2: Gotcha.
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Speaker 3: Well, Scott, we’re going to keep a close eye on this. Thanks for coming on the show. And hopefully I’ll see as soon at a fence pull or something like that somewhere out on the prairie.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, sounds good. Thanks for having me, guys.
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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Scott. Thanks Scott.
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Speaker 2: That’s a good dude right there.
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Speaker 1: I need to remember to put in for that tag I always forget.
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Speaker 3: Oh, the coolest, the coolest, one of the coolest things I’ve ever done, in terms of just being on a wild landscape only people hunting.
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Speaker 2: It just wild animals.
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Speaker 3: They’re you know, they don’t they might technically be live stock.
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Speaker 2: But they don’t act like it.
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Speaker 1: They’re spooky.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it’s like it’s like aneloe punting uh the week after season opener.
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Speaker 1: Hm hmm.
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Speaker 2: That’s spooky, super cool, super cool. Our next segment is Show and Tell.
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Speaker 1: Manie the show stut.
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Speaker 2: Manie to show good Good, dance moops.
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Speaker 1: Spencer brought a rock? What else didn’t you we spent?
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Speaker 2: Oh that’s fun.
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Speaker 3: Our next segment is show and tell, uh seth. Let’s start with with you. What did you bring to show the classroom today?
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Speaker 1: I brought a white tail buck?
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Speaker 4: And this buck the story behind it goes it was Thanksgiving Day, and no it wasn’t Thanksgiving Day.
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Speaker 1: It was a day before Thanksgiving. I hadn’t killed a deer yet.
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Speaker 2: And this is twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 4: Twenty one, oh, twenty twenty one, I haven’t written round the back.
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Speaker 1: I was driving.
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Speaker 4: So I planned to go to a deer hunting spot and just stay there through Thanksgiving for like a you know, till the end of the season basically. And on my way there, I left super early in the morning. It was just cracking daylight. I’m in my in my car heading to the spot, and I just happened to see this guy cross the road in front of me and did the old pull up on X real quick, see if there’s anything look around. Sure enough, he like dropped down in a drainage that led right to a piece of state ground.
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Speaker 1: So I drove up there, parked my vehicle got.
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Speaker 4: Down in that drainage where it crossed the state ground and sat there and waited for probably I don’t know, thirty forty minutes.
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Speaker 1: And here you come. He popped out. Yeah, and then I killed him.
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Speaker 2: Nicely done. Let me shoot him with.
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Speaker 4: Uh six or five creed more, I’ll do it. Yeah, just like four hundred and twenty five yards.
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Speaker 1: Beautiful.
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Speaker 2: Oh it’s a nice buck.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I cut him up, threw him in the truck, stopped and got a case of bush light, and then went to my friends for Thanksgiving.
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Speaker 2: Beautiful.
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Speaker 1: We celebrated this buck. I liked it.
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Speaker 2: He’s broken, yeah, fighter, Oh yeah, got some gird.
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Speaker 4: It would have been you know, a big score if if he still had those points, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if you’d grown it. Could you imagine if the.
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Speaker 1: Other year I got it? What do you think? Two year old year old? Probably three? My three year old? Yeah?
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Speaker 4: That that that’s a very typical Montana buck.
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Speaker 3: That reminds me of my idea for a hunting program that I host called could have been a booner where I shoot two to three year old animals with a lot of potential.
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Speaker 2: How most of my falls work out?
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Speaker 1: Yep, I’m not going wrong with that?
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I love it. I can’t help myself. Janny, do you want to go last?
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Speaker 1: I don’t care. It’s up to you. Why don’t you go on?
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Speaker 2: Don’t you go? Do you want me to go?
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Speaker 1: Okay? I brought in two things. One is this here skull? Mmm? Spooky you guys getting a good Oh? Yeah, it’s the bear skull. This is the second bear skull, the first bear. Everybody asks this is your first bear? It kind of really is, because it’s the first bear A hunted. We had a problem bear in my yard. I’ve probably told this story a couple of years ago, and Mingus treat him. He was eating our chickens. Mingus treat him, and I was on the phone with the warden and he was like, well, you can either shoot him right now out of the tree, or I can come. And they’re all shooting out of the tree or out to get him. But once he’s been eating chickens, he’s not going to quit eating chickens. And it’s just that’s the how it is. Since then, we’ve gotten a super like grizzly bear proof fence that I’ve touched it, and I’m telling you you don’t want to touch our electric fence. So we haven’t had any chicken problems since then. So I shot a little baby bear out of a tree one time, But this is the first actually hunt. I went to Manitoba last spring and did my first ever baited black bear hunt with Craig and Mel McCarthy of North Mountain Adventures. And I think on the third evening, classic hunt doesn’t matter if it’s like spot in stock or baited, right, we hunt one spot that that day we get pictures of like two or three good bears at another bait spot, and we decide to switch locations, so we go to another location. Sure enough, no big bears show up there, and at the first spot, this one shows up. So the third night we go back and he showed up right at last light. Again, what was cool? A couple things you’re gonna be able to see this, I think next Tuesday we drop my Manitoba Barry episode. But a couple of cool things about this hunt is like you’re so close to these bears, or like one afternoon sitting on a baited hunt, like you get to see more beary activity and observe more bears than you would in a decade of doing spot stock hunting in Montana, you know what I mean, at least in my experience. So just all the interactions amongst the bears, the crazy sounds that they make, and then like their ability to figure stuff out, like they love a beaver carcass for whatever reason we don’t actually know. Craig’s got a theory that their mothers teach them that in the spring, that’s your first way to get easy and meat is sit on a little beaver, run and snag a beaver and you go, yeah, right, whatever. We had barrels full of oats and corn soaked and used fryer oil with a few pastries or birthday sheet cakes on top. Whatever. If there was a beaver carcass hanging there, the bears were like, we’re gonna get that thing before we mess around with whatever’s in that barrel. And they can smell it all, you know, I mean, the bait is doped up with all kinds of fancy smelling stuff. But they love that beaver carcass and so like the first day we hung it way too easy to grab and they just like the first bear goes in there, takes it down out of the tree and he goes off into the bush and you can hear him chewing on it for the next hour. You know, another bear might go over there and try to take it from him or whatever. So I’m like, well, we don’t want that, we want to see it. So we started hanging it. We did like a high line and then hung it off the middle. But that one didn’t work too good because it was almost just too difficult, like they would like look and look, try to figure it out. And maybe it was just the bears, like the individual bears themselves, because the third night we did it, we hung one kind of like you’d hang a bag of food, you know, slung it over a branch, and then tied it off. Just one bear comes in and he’s determined and he spends an hour. He’d like climbed every single tree he could climb in the vicinity and just is like thinking, thinking, thinking, looking, going out on these little limbs, and I can’t go out there. It comes back and he finally figures out that that yellow rope when he touches it, the beaver moves right, So then he starts putting the rope in his mouth and climbing down the tree, and the beaver’s going up and you get down to the bottom and let it go. And again I didn’t know. I don’t know if the bear knows that. Oh, if I do this enough times, there’s gonna be enough sort of force that something’s going to give and this beaver is going to drop out of the sky. But can accident that Eventually that happens and the beaver, just like our little not or whatever, the new standing hold beaver hit the ground and he got his So it was just like cool to see bears doing bear things. And how like Clay’s got a new book coming out. I think it’s about a year out about the American bear and they, according to the research Clays done, bears are like the most sort of adaptable, curious animal out there. Like they’re the ones that will sort of see something and more human like right where you’re like, hey, I need to know more.
00:32:43
Speaker 2: I need dolphins.
00:32:44
Speaker 1: Figure that out.
00:32:46
Speaker 2: It likes dolphins.
00:32:48
Speaker 1: I like dolphins are pretty cool, very sexual. Yeah, so this big old boy. The cool thing about this bear when he finally came in is that there’s a lot of noises around a bait pile or bait you know, a bait site. I guess, right, there’s just like I mean, at times there was a half a dozen bears and there, you know, there’s a lot of interactions. And anytime there’s a sow with cubs, anytime another bear comes around, the sow makes the cubs run up the trees. Right, So it’s just like this constant grunting and stuff running through the brush, chasing each other, cubs going up and down trees. When this dude got to probably seventy five eighty yards of the bait, it was like the woods went silent, like the mom the sow had moved these couple cubs off of the bait and they were like at the base of a tree. I don’t know if they had climbed yet, maybe they climbed a little ways, but it was almost like the birds quit chirping, and it’s just like all you could hear was a little stream trickling down behind me that was behind us. And he just walked in just slow, and you know how those boars do when their you know, toes are kind of pointed in a little bit and started snaw and around. But again limited experience for me, I’m like, is that the one, Like I think it’s not the one I can’t. I’ve been saying to myself that that soal was a really good sized, good looking bear, and if she had been in there by herself and no cubs, I’ve probably been like, oh, I would shoot that bear. And this bear came in and he was, you know, another whatever thirty percent bigger than her. So I’m like, Okay, it’s got to be the right bear. She’d have brought it in a picture of him. So anyways, Yeah, I got my first real bear skull here. And then when I’m I’m excited about the skull, I mean, skulls are always fun. But check this out. This This is that bear’s hide. And I can’t remember exactly. I think we squared him like close to eight feet. Craig, I wish you were listening. You could, you could call, you could write in and say, but I mean, it’s just a giant, huge bear, and I’m gonna use this as an actual rug at my house. Go ahead and flip her back on their stuff. I’m not gonna put it on the wall. I’m gonna put it on the floor. Our fireplace is kind of in the wrong spot right now, so it’s probably not gonna be in the fireplace. Eventually when I move my woodstove to a cozy little area, I’ll do that. But now I’m gonna have it like in front of the couch so you can put your feet on it. I’m gonna let my dog lay on it because I want to use it, you know, like it’s a comfortable thing to put your feet on, and.
00:35:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, it’ll be warm, it’ll be cool.
00:35:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, I’ve reached that point with a lot of animal parts that I’m just like, I don’t know, I’m gonna hang onto this for twenty years in a box.
00:35:32
Speaker 2: Somewhere, Yeah, just to look at it.
00:35:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Sydney’s Sydney’s bison robe sits on the couch. The dogs love it, right, and you get to interact with it every day, Right, you might as.
00:35:42
Speaker 1: Well use it. You can always go get it. Well maybe not always, but for right now, you can go get another bear hide or another bison robe, you know, if you get lucky to draw that hunt, and same thing with these. These are like fun to look at the skulls. But honestly, I’m gonna do more bear hunts. I’m gonna do more spot in stock hunts. I’m gonna do more baited bear hunts the number one reason, I mean, besides the adventure and enjoying a hunt. But as far as something to take home, it’s bear meat and bear grease. Yep, Like I love eating bears when you’re just like the last twenty years, I feel like all I’ve been eating is super lean venice of different types. And to have like a freezer full bear meat, it’s awesome.
00:36:24
Speaker 2: Love it.
00:36:24
Speaker 1: So there you go. It’s my show and tell.
00:36:27
Speaker 3: And before we later we’ll explain a bit more about your film. Yes, and we have some exciting announcements at the very end of this, so stay tuned. But it’s coming out next week.
00:36:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe on Tuesday, the twenty fourth.
00:36:44
Speaker 2: Cool Well, I brought in a I brought in a lion.
00:36:50
Speaker 1: Highe No, it’s been here the whole time.
00:36:52
Speaker 2: It’s been sitting in my office. So actually I didn’t bring it in.
00:36:57
Speaker 1: You brought it down.
00:36:58
Speaker 2: I brought it down.
00:37:00
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let me feel the claws about it. Yeah.
00:37:04
Speaker 3: I just think this is one of the cooler, one of the cooler things I have. It’s a tome I killed a number of years ago when I was living in Missoula, and it’s just a wild, wild animal to like, Yeah, look at the claws, look at the pads on its feet. I had it hanging in my garage for a while while I was butchering it, and just like messing with Like, it’s just an animal that you’re not going to get up close and personal with unless it’s sedated, or unless it’s moved on.
00:37:39
Speaker 1: To the next world, unless it’s mauling you.
00:37:43
Speaker 3: Unless it’s malling you. Yeah, but speaking of delicious things to eat, my god. Yeah, yeah, if I could put a deer, if I had the option of putting a deer in the freezer or a lion in the freezer every year, it would probably be the lion.
00:38:00
Speaker 2: Just for variety. Yeah, I mean, I’d still be hopefully killing elk and things like that.
00:38:04
Speaker 1: You have some kind of venison, yeah, but.
00:38:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, the.
00:38:08
Speaker 3: I mean, we we made like a lot of polled like barbecue sandwiches. Our favorite thing was making pasole with it, like a Mexican stew where you’d ordinarily get a big like pork shoulder and chop that up. But just a super cool animal. It was a cool hunt. The only animal I’ve hunted with hounds and that.
00:38:30
Speaker 1: Was did you do it? With our buddy Pete, Yeah, Pete.
00:38:33
Speaker 3: And then another another his buddies and yeah, we you know, rode the sleds up and down for service roads. So we cut a track and then went back, got all the dogs chased downhill, treed. They actually the dogs split up. One of them got on another cat’s track and treed that cat. We pulled those dogs off that cat, and by the time we did that, the other dogs had this one treed.
00:38:58
Speaker 2: And so then we hiked back to the road back up above.
00:39:02
Speaker 3: The road and then shot him with twelve gates or sorry, twenty gage slug, which was I figured the best thing I had for like a thirty yard shot. Yeah, and just super cool. But yeah, like again, the whole process and the meet in the freezer was really the highlight for me. Like Sydney was kind of like, this is what you’re doing, and then we got it in the freezer and she was like, I would like you to.
00:39:29
Speaker 2: Do that more.
00:39:30
Speaker 1: So that’s good.
00:39:32
Speaker 2: I feel like that’s the optimum outcome for hunt.
00:39:35
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it’s a very well manned species, especially in our state of Montana, and I mean there’s not enough lions for everybody to have one in their freezer every year, but a lot of quotas are never met. Yeah, and that’s you know, that’s a whole nother thing. The quotas in our state are a little bit controversial right now, but like, if you want to try it, there’s opportunities out there, you know. And if you want to be a person like myself with a hound that wanted to put one in the freezer every single year, like I don’t see why not. Yeah.
00:40:06
Speaker 3: And if if for some reason someone had an allergy to cat meat, I don’t know if that exists or not, and they ended up getting one and said, hey, does anyone want this? I would be knocking down their door to get.
00:40:19
Speaker 1: Happy to take it.
00:40:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I’m going tomorrow.
00:40:22
Speaker 1: We got some snow. Finally, I’m gonna go out and about dress warm. Maybe I’ll get my keep moving. Well, you don’t want to be wearing is I’m gonna be wearing this thermogrid uh merino top shape right against right against my skin, underneath my soft shell. That’ll be my kit tomorrow, great piece for active.
00:40:42
Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent. Tomorrow’s a weekday, right, okay.
00:40:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I some days I guess a hunt for work Randall, you knew that.
00:40:52
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just just you know, just occasionally. Uh, Phil, what’s the chat saying?
00:40:57
Speaker 1: The chat?
00:40:57
Speaker 2: How are they hanging in there?
00:40:58
Speaker 1: Oh? God, Brent Reeves in the chase.
00:41:02
Speaker 2: He probably wants he hasn’t got enough of the new cooms.
00:41:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, he heard, and he came in here to roast him.
00:41:08
Speaker 1: I’m sure.
00:41:08
Speaker 5: But before we get there, Uh, let’s see. Valancourt asks, when Radio Live ends and it drops to the news segments, will those do recording? And I recorded in a live setting with questions comments from the YouTube chat, No, Valancourt, they will. It will not be a live show.
00:41:23
Speaker 3: No, but we recognize that this is a fun dynamic. So I don’t we don’t have any concrete plans, but we will do occasional I don’t think we will abandon this.
00:41:36
Speaker 1: Randall and I are in the midst of planning a live tour. We don’t know where it’s gonna happen in the United States. But uh so, if you want more live, Randall, then I just stay tuned and figure out where we’re going to do the next live to it.
00:41:49
Speaker 2: Anything can happen anything when you’re doing it live.
00:41:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, Phil, what you got this is part two part question from Cranky’s verf Part one. Recently tann some baron elkides. The bear hides turned out fine. The elkhide is pretty stiff after tanning. Brushing brush on tanning, breaking and oiling part two when breaking it more after drying the elk hide cracks on the first side. Any thoughts or tips on rehydration water salt bath question mark? Would retanning be necessary after rehydrating?
00:42:22
Speaker 2: No clue, I know nothing about.
00:42:24
Speaker 5: Oh I thought you guys were prosen here.
00:42:25
Speaker 1: No, you need you need to call I’d call it tax Yeah, call our buddy John Jon Hayes.
00:42:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, we can’t help you. The image with this listener’s profile is interesting. Looks like a wizard some sort, looks like.
00:42:42
Speaker 5: A d and d NPCA to me, Ad Rock, he’s here tomorrow the Alaska draw Hunt lottery results come out for twenty twenty seven. Have any of the gang applied for anything? He’s hoping to score a black Bear tag from Prince of Wales?
00:42:56
Speaker 1: Oh, me too, You and me both, Buddy Randall or trying to get Prince Walks. I Drew has one in my pocket. Yeah, I’m gonna be hinding there. This spring. What’s our forthcoming guests? Uh, both Clay and Bear. So I didn’t apply. I don’t know if there’s I haven’t applied for anything in Alaska.
00:43:18
Speaker 2: I put in for that.
00:43:19
Speaker 3: I put in for a real uh real low odds moose hunt, and then I put in for Muskox because I figure, why not?
00:43:27
Speaker 2: Why not let the tag gods smile upon my fate.
00:43:32
Speaker 5: On that note, our guy Leland Hart just drew his very first ELK tag shout out. He’s going out this year. Congrats lad, And I saw that’s what he said in a follow up comment, it’s going to be his first LK hunt.
00:43:44
Speaker 3: I saw in the Meat Eater Radio Live Inbox that McCullough Leland’s daughter, whom we wished good luck on her first hunt, was successful, Yes, in shooting a Havelina out of a squadron of Havelna’s sweet.
00:44:00
Speaker 2: Which was the term he used. And I believe that if that’s the technically appropriate term, I love it.
00:44:04
Speaker 1: That’d be a good trivia.
00:44:05
Speaker 2: He’ll hit me.
00:44:06
Speaker 5: You guys are very ducky people in here?
00:44:08
Speaker 1: Are you not super? But what? But what is it?
00:44:11
Speaker 5: It’s just someone’s just curious you’ve never shot a duck or goose with a Jack Miner band or known anyone who has.
00:44:18
Speaker 2: I don’t know what that meant.
00:44:19
Speaker 1: I don’t know what Jack miner. I know what a band is, but I don’t know what a Jack Miner. I looked it up.
00:44:23
Speaker 5: It’s a big thing. There’s a sanctuary in Canada apparently that oh like it was banded a Jack Miner. Yeah something. They’re kind of unique in certain ways. But we can just move past this. Let’s see here we go. Mogor is asking about the new studio. How are things coming along? Well, Mogor, you.
00:44:45
Speaker 2: Could probably hear yourself.
00:44:46
Speaker 5: I hate doing that, so I will not. But there are a lot of progress is being made in the new studio, and in the last week it’s gone from being kind of a cavernous, dusty space to nearly complete. So I would show pictures, but I kind of just want you guys to be surprised. It looks pretty good and I’m excited about it. So that’s the update on the new studio. You’ll probably see that in the next month or two.
00:45:08
Speaker 1: On content.
00:45:11
Speaker 5: Next question from Will when is Phil going to appear on ros Well? Will go to the meat Eater YouTube channel, right now and hit that refresh button.
00:45:17
Speaker 2: Right now, right now. The Scotch Egg showed out the Scotch.
00:45:21
Speaker 5: Egg Skirmish featuring Corey and Rick.
00:45:25
Speaker 1: They are the.
00:45:29
Speaker 2: Aged hosted by Giannis Ptellus.
00:45:33
Speaker 5: And judged by Randall Williams and myself. I have not watched it yet, so I don’t know how much you cut out, but I’m sure they cut out a lot.
00:45:39
Speaker 3: I’m sure they cut out at least a couple of rounds of drinks.
00:45:43
Speaker 1: We need some views.
00:45:44
Speaker 3: Go check it out, Phil, Phil did a little pop up tiki bar sash unrelated to the dish of the day, so I.
00:45:52
Speaker 1: Thought it worked really well.
00:45:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, there’s a cool fusion of our passions.
00:45:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, you should watch it, tell your friends about it, like and subscribe that like button smash that share it with everyone.
00:46:03
Speaker 3: Boy, I Phil, I want to get more of these questions. But I am I’m worried that we’ve kept Clay and Bear waiting too long.
00:46:11
Speaker 1: Oh that’s fine, we moved to our second patient. I go back and I look at the question. So if you asked a question, I will go back and look for one. And if you haven’t yet asked a question.
00:46:22
Speaker 3: Next up on the line, we’ve got Clay and Bear Newcombe live from the great state of Arkansas.
00:46:30
Speaker 2: Hello, how are you fellas?
00:46:32
Speaker 1: Doing it? Good to see it.
00:46:33
Speaker 2: Clay, did you get a haircut?
00:46:36
Speaker 1: Yeah?
00:46:37
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
00:46:39
Speaker 7: Yeah, it’s it’s pretty sad for grown man like me to have hair like this.
00:46:45
Speaker 2: No, it’s very handsome. You look good.
00:46:49
Speaker 3: I was hoping we’d keep this rock and roll party going for a while, but someone had to be an adult in the room and.
00:46:55
Speaker 2: Chop it off.
00:46:58
Speaker 8: Luckily we got Bear here.
00:46:59
Speaker 3: That’s right, airing on the family legacy.
00:47:02
Speaker 1: No, Bear also got too much hair cut off? I heard. Really yeah, wow, what has gotten into you? Guys?
00:47:12
Speaker 4: It’s just like some tough weather down there or something or something in the air. You know.
00:47:19
Speaker 8: I couldn’t handle the I couldn’t handle the pressure.
00:47:23
Speaker 7: Everywhere I went, all people wanted to talk about was my hair. And I’m like, hey, my eyes are down here, guys.
00:47:33
Speaker 3: I know the feeling. I know the feeling. Clay, Well, we’re having you guys on. You have some exciting news to share with the meat eater audience here regarding development in the Bear Grease universe, as we like to call it. Can you tell us what’s going on in your neck of the woods.
00:47:51
Speaker 8: Yeah, so.
00:47:53
Speaker 7: Bear and I have started a number one we’ve we’ve kicked arted a new Bear Grease YouTube channel, and I’ll let Bear talk about it a little bit more in terms of content, but I’ll describe it for you. If you’ve been following along with us for very long, you would have known that I used to run and operate Bear Hunting Magazine and we started a YouTube channel in twenty fourteen, back in like it was almost like the pre history era of the earth, you.
00:48:25
Speaker 8: Know, twenty fourteen on YouTube.
00:48:28
Speaker 9: And.
00:48:30
Speaker 8: We built that channel for eight years.
00:48:31
Speaker 7: There was a lot of bear hunting just there’s about seventy or eighty videos on there, all kinds of stuff, I mean, just all kinds of stuff. And bar Newcomb is actually on there quite a bit as a little kid. But when I came to work for Meat Eater, we quit posting to that Bear Hunting Magazine YouTube channel.
00:48:52
Speaker 8: It just lay their dormant.
00:48:54
Speaker 7: This year, just in the last two weeks, we’ve cranked it back up. We’ve changed the name to the Bear Grease YouTube channel, and we’re we’re lighting the fire again and Bear Newcomb is going to be the primary host and Bear tell them kind of what what we’re gonna be putting on there.
00:49:15
Speaker 9: Yeah, well it’s a different it’s a different style content, a little more informal content, just capturing some of the adventures that I’m going on, as well as some of the bow builds and other DIY stuff that I do a lot. So what you’ll see is a little more informal content. It’ll be weekly videos and uh yeah, we’ve got We’ve got a lot of good videos coming out soon.
00:49:42
Speaker 7: And we’ve also started up a bear Grease Instagram channel, so you got to be so we were posting almost daily on the Bear Grease Instagram channel. I think it’s called Real bear Grease is what it’s called. And uh so, yeah, it really is exciting. It’s been a ton of fun so far.
00:50:05
Speaker 2: No, are we going to see Brent Reeves?
00:50:07
Speaker 3: And is it the usual cast of characters on these on these platforms.
00:50:13
Speaker 8: That’s a great question.
00:50:16
Speaker 7: Like I said, it’s it’s mainly at this point, you know, it’s mainly Bear. I want to get Brent on here. He’s just so busy down there with that coon dog his Well, next week we’re Brent and I are going on a on a coon hunt that.
00:50:34
Speaker 9: Has a little bit of a twist to it. That will be on the Bear Grease YouTube channel.
00:50:39
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice, No, that’s that’s the teaser. Is it just a twist? You can’t give us anything else?
00:50:44
Speaker 8: Bear typical coon hunt. I’ll put it like that.
00:50:48
Speaker 2: I gotta stay tuned, Johnny. That’s that’s the show biz.
00:50:52
Speaker 1: I guess.
00:50:53
Speaker 3: So, Clay, are you are you able to share anything about your your little writing project there? Yeah, man, I know you just had a big deadline, so I want to congratulate you.
00:51:09
Speaker 8: Thank you so much.
00:51:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:51:10
Speaker 7: Two weeks ago, February seventh, about roughly two weeks ago, we turned in the manuscript for my.
00:51:18
Speaker 8: Black Bear book.
00:51:19
Speaker 7: It’s currently titled American Bear, going to come out Spring of twenty seven, Randall, you’ll appreciate this.
00:51:26
Speaker 8: It was one hundred and five thousand words. The manuscript was that’ll do it. And just never been.
00:51:35
Speaker 7: More excited for anything that I’ve done in terms of career and everything. I just feel like it’s kind of a for me. It’s just a defining piece of work. And regardless of if anybody ever even reads it, I’m it will be excited that it’s in existence. And so Spring of twenty seven. The timelines on these, you know, book projects are just ridiculous, but it is what it is.
00:52:06
Speaker 3: So I think next, I think you were trying to sell that book back when you and I were bear hunting on Prince of Wales three years ago.
00:52:15
Speaker 7: Maybe, Yeah, we got the contract two and a half years ago. Well, it’ll be three years in August, and so we’ve been working on it for two and a half years and the last year was kind of a fever pace of work. And that it’s been submitted to the to the publisher, and there’s more work to be done once they get their hands on it and look at it. But the but the bulk of the work is done.
00:52:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, you’re done pouring your soul into it and bleeding for it.
00:52:48
Speaker 8: That’s right.
00:52:49
Speaker 7: There’s never nobody’s ever written a bare book like this. I mean, I’m not saying that it’s there’s just there’s there’s academic people that understand the history of wildlife trade and all this. There’s people that understand biology. There’s people that understand uh, Native American culture and ceremonialism around animals, and then there’s hunters that have like real life experience with bears and and there’s there would be books and information in all of those sectors, but this is kind of a combination of all these things.
00:53:36
Speaker 1: Are there any pictures in this book, Clay, I hope so it’s you know, you know, oh is that still up for debate?
00:53:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime, that’s up to a higher power.
00:53:49
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah.
00:53:51
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I would hope there’s pictures, but it’s it. If it is, it would be minimal.
00:53:55
Speaker 1: You know.
00:53:56
Speaker 7: That’s just kind of the way books work. I don’t you know, It’s like books are big into words.
00:54:02
Speaker 1: I hear, okay, I just you know, for me, little pictures go a long way. You know, when I flip through and I see a couple of pictures that, you know, I get I get engaged. Give us a little tidbit. I mean, you’ve you’ve shared a lot of little tidbits with us about like what you learned about black bears that you didn’t know before starting on this project. What’s something cool you learned about bears you didn’t know a year ago.
00:54:28
Speaker 7: That’s a good question. It’s it’s so so big. I mean, you know the bear grease oil trade. As Randall is just a national expert on on the deer hide trade and the buffalo market hunting and all that stuff. You know, there’s a whole giant story about bear grease and bear market hunting, and and we tell that story, though that’s not the entire book. And you know, basically, the Mississippi River in between the Appalachian Mountains and the Great Plains would have just been a bear grease highway, especially in the latter half of the seventeen hundreds into the early eighteen hundreds, just a ton of bear grease coming down coming down that river. And Native Americans heavily involved in the bear grease oil trade.
00:55:25
Speaker 1: What were people do? What were people doing with bear grease back then?
00:55:30
Speaker 7: Well, there was a period of time when animal fat oils were essential to human life.
00:55:36
Speaker 8: I mean they were cooking with it, they were frying.
00:55:38
Speaker 7: With it, they were using it as dressings for salads. That’s what a lot of first contact Europeans saw Native Americans doing in the East was using it on greens like.
00:55:54
Speaker 8: No they saw.
00:55:56
Speaker 7: The first account of the word bear grease in the history oracle literature was July fifth, fifteen forty Hernando Desoto’s scribe name Elva. He said he was in what is now eastern Tennessee, and they came upon a tribe and they said they noted that they stored large quantities of what they called bear grease in gourds, and they said that the Native Americans anointed themselves with it daily, and they were like using like copious amounts of barreil on their skin. And that’s what Native Americans were doing, the barre oil market trade. They were using it for food, but they were also using it for fuel. The first street lights ever in the world were in New Orleans. Okay, so just think of the world as being run by firelight, basically no artificial lights, no electricity. And New Orleans was such a rough town that these rich neighborhoods said, man got to have some lights at night on the street, so these criminals can’t just run around. And so they put oil burning lamps hung out on a little post. And and they were using pelican oil, bear grease and whale oil in in in those and it it may not have been the first in the world, the first and in North America. The first street lights in America burned some barre oil, and you know, they were using it for making soap. Candles. You know, candles were essential for for light. I mean it’s like a light bulb.
00:57:40
Speaker 8: I mean like.
00:57:40
Speaker 7: Everybody had them, everybody used them, everybody ran through them and needed more.
00:57:46
Speaker 8: And uh, you know.
00:57:47
Speaker 7: You mix you know, we make you can make a candle today or soapy you know, using oil, animal fat oil as the as the beginning of it, you know, or as the foundation of it.
00:57:59
Speaker 8: So yeah, those are the things that they were doing.
00:58:02
Speaker 1: That right there is the reason I’d come to what I come to Bear Grease for. Yeah. Oh yeah, thank you, Clay. Yeah, that was great.
00:58:09
Speaker 3: Well, guys, lots of exciting stuff on your end of things. Uh, I think we’ve kept you a little too long. It’s it’s new now where we are Barre. Can you hit them again with with the YouTube channel and the Instagram and and where they can find all your all your adventures.
00:58:27
Speaker 9: Yeah, it’s the Bear Grease YouTube channel and Real bear Grease on Instagram and we’ve got weekly videos every Wednesday on the YouTube channel.
00:58:37
Speaker 2: Awesome, guys. Well, you guys are.
00:58:41
Speaker 3: A couple of We’re lucky to know you guys because you have a lot of unique adventures and perspectives on things. Clay excited for the book, Bear Excited for the the YouTube action. I’ll be particularly excited to figure out what’s so wild about this raccoon hunt, mister Reeves, and good to see you guys.
00:58:58
Speaker 8: As always, boys, it’s twisty.
00:59:02
Speaker 10: I’m assuming it’s coon hunting naked. All right, we’ll have to see tune in, tune in, take care, Oh, I.
00:59:14
Speaker 3: Think just make Clay what’s left of Clay’s hair stand straight up on end with that? Alrighty, before we before we get back to listener feedback, we do have a couple of exciting announcements. One is that Meat Eater Movie Club will be returning on next week’s episode and we’ll be reviewing by popular demand, Legacy of a White Tailed Deer Hunter. It’s available on Netflix, and uh, it’s a movie I’ve held off on watching until we were able to tackle it on radio line.
00:59:46
Speaker 1: Yep, okay, yeah, and an interesting film.
00:59:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, that’s a good way to describe it.
00:59:53
Speaker 3: Well, I hope I have I hope I haven’t steered us wrong that it was one of the most highly requested films in the radio Live inbody.
01:00:01
Speaker 1: Well that is because everybody is awaiting how you will tackle it, how you will dissect it. And I’m very in I’ll rewatch it just to hear what you have to say about it, because yeah, you’re gonna have to think about it.
01:00:13
Speaker 2: I’m coming into it with a blank slate.
01:00:15
Speaker 1: Have you watched it yet? Nope?
01:00:18
Speaker 2: Nope. Maybe this was a big mistake and we’ll.
01:00:21
Speaker 5: Just deliver it because if i’m unless I’m mistaken, it’s the same crew that was behind Eastbound and Downe and the Righteous Gemstones and fist Way. So if you like Danny McBride and that sensibility, which I.
01:00:37
Speaker 3: Do very much, Yes, another note on Radio Live here.
01:00:44
Speaker 2: The week after that, we.
01:00:47
Speaker 3: Will be doing the Meat Eater Radio Live Grand Finale Live Extravaganza. It’s going to be very I don’t want to give too much weight. It’s gonna be very long, so just schedule your day accordingly.
01:01:00
Speaker 5: It’s going to be a unique episode.
01:01:02
Speaker 3: If you have a doctor’s appointment, say two or three hours after we start, as long as it’s not an urgent condition.
01:01:10
Speaker 5: Even then, still weigh the pros and cons.
01:01:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, just depends on how much you enjoy Radio Live. There will be another announcement for movie clubs, so stay tuned on that because we will have one final movie club and boy, it’s I’m salivating. I’m real excited for the old Radio Live Grand Finale, Live extravaganza. So we’re looking forward to spending a whole bunch of time with you.
01:01:36
Speaker 2: Guys.
01:01:36
Speaker 1: You should post on the on the Instagram a picture of your whiteboard right now.
01:01:42
Speaker 3: That none did it, already already did that, okay, right before the show this morning?
01:01:46
Speaker 1: Yea Instagram stories.
01:01:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, check it out for some teases what to expect.
01:01:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, it’s all censored, it’s all it’s mostly redacted.
01:01:54
Speaker 11: Yeah, which just like political Yeah, and then and then you’re honest, why don’t you tell us a little bit more about what folks can expect with your bear Hunt and the future?
01:02:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, YouTube, So on me eater YouTube. This year twenty twenty six, we’ve got a I don’t know if you call it a project or just it’s really just a different way of approaching our publishing of our sort of finest, more interesting adventures from the last year that were planned to be and turned out to be good for a longer form adventure longer form episodes, So they’re going to be an hour long and we basically picked twelve of the best from the last year and we’re gonna air roughly one a month for the rest of them of the year. In twenty twenty six, the first one that airs Tuesday is going to be My manitoa Bear Hunt. I think that My Caribou Adventure Manito was also going to be one of them. Mark’s working on a wolf documentary that’s going to be one of these episodes. Cal had a grizzly bear episode. Yeah.
01:03:15
Speaker 3: If you’ve been following along with the crew over the past year, you might be able to guess. Yeah, sort of what turned into these long form pieces that are called twelve and twenty six.
01:03:24
Speaker 2: Twelve and twenty six, Yeah, that’s that’s the naming convention here.
01:03:27
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I would show the slick little graphic, but I don’t know if I’m allowed to yet.
01:03:31
Speaker 1: Oh do it? Do it?
01:03:32
Speaker 4: Well?
01:03:33
Speaker 5: I don’t even know where to find it. No, it might be in my email somewhere.
01:03:35
Speaker 3: But yeah, it’s kicking off next week. Everybody here is super excited. It’s done a lot of work on our production team and the editors and all that stuff to do these longer form pieces.
01:03:44
Speaker 1: But that’s what this is a great time to request this. I don’t know if we’ll do this for every episode, but we’re going to try it for this upcoming bear episode. And these are the right people to ask because they’re so good at you know, being part of the live audience here. But uh, put in comments and ask questions about the episode, uh in the comments section on the YouTube channel underneath the video, and then we’re gonna aggregate our favorites. And then a week after releases, we’re gonna record. I think it’s gonna be Corey Culkins and I he’s gonna ask the questions, I’m gonna answer him, and we’re gonna record a video of me answering all of your questions regarding the Bear hunt it and then uh post that on YouTube. Nice please do that.
01:04:29
Speaker 5: That will a little blurke because they had to take a screen shot, but I think it’s slick.
01:04:32
Speaker 1: Oh that’s fine work by Phil. Yeah, fine, yeah, Phil, this is really good.
01:04:38
Speaker 5: I’m sure this is the way that the company would like everyone to see. Ye how quickly you brought this up? Yeah yeah, that was pretty faster.
01:04:47
Speaker 1: Not the quality is going, man, if you have just asked me ahead of time, but no, it a.
01:04:53
Speaker 3: Lins me when I’m really tired and uh, everything just starts looking a little blurry.
01:04:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, it’s if you’re tired.
01:05:01
Speaker 3: Or yeah, we’re overserved or overserved Yeah by myself.
01:05:05
Speaker 1: Yep. Twelve and twenty six.
01:05:08
Speaker 2: That’s super exciting.
01:05:09
Speaker 3: I am Uh, I’m pumped to see all these because it’s been a lot of cool You guys obviously did a lot of cool stuff last year.
01:05:15
Speaker 1: And yeah, everybody’s always asking for longer twenty minutes form stuff.
01:05:19
Speaker 3: At twenty minutes, it’s hard to capture the ups and downs of a like a real adventure hunt.
01:05:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, now where you can really let it breathe mm hmmm, which is nice. I prefer that that length.
01:05:32
Speaker 2: I do too, I do too, Phil, What about you?
01:05:37
Speaker 5: I agree?
01:05:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, should doesn’t consume hunting media. That’s all I watch? What are you talking about?
01:05:42
Speaker 5: Ever since I started working here, Yeah, dropped all my other interests.
01:05:46
Speaker 1: He makes it takes up.
01:05:47
Speaker 2: At twelve and twenty six.
01:05:50
Speaker 3: Keep your eyes peeled next week for that bear video again, Legacy of a White Tail Deer Hunter on Netflix, Mediator Movie Club next week, Meat Eater Radio Live Grand Finale Live Extravaganza two weeks from today, and uh, Phil, what do.
01:06:07
Speaker 2: We have for comments? In the chat here?
01:06:09
Speaker 5: We’ve got a few more people, get some more questions.
01:06:13
Speaker 2: In my tummies rumbling, so oh we can just stop the show. No no, no, no, no no no.
01:06:18
Speaker 5: Was wondering what the what the excitement level is for paddlefish fishing this spring?
01:06:23
Speaker 1: Mmm, you know, I forgot I think I forgot to put in for the tags. I don’t have one here.
01:06:30
Speaker 3: I forgot to put in for the tag. I hear really good things. Uh, I would love to try it at some point.
01:06:38
Speaker 1: We should put in next year and try to make a I’m not gonna go and and release.
01:06:43
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I want to kill tag.
01:06:46
Speaker 3: Yeaheah yeah, I’ve I’ve gotten the snag and release tag before and just didn’t have the the heart. I hope you have a paddlefish tag this spring.
01:06:56
Speaker 2: Chase Armstrong five four zero six.
01:06:58
Speaker 5: Good luck to you, flip Flop Flesher.
01:07:01
Speaker 1: This is from Chase.
01:07:01
Speaker 5: He asks where do you keep getting the head gear? The vintage Daiwa hat was sweet, but I think the Camo Red Man hat is even better.
01:07:09
Speaker 4: My buddy made me the Dawa hat and I made the Red Man hat, so you got You know, if you want cool stuff, sometimes you gotta make it yourself.
01:07:19
Speaker 5: Seth is chomping at the bit. Sorry, go go ahead, Yanni.
01:07:22
Speaker 1: Oh, I’m just going to say now that patches on hats are cool. Everybody kind of wishes they hadn’t thrown out all those patches that came through their lives in the last twenty years. Yeah, some cool patches out there.
01:07:33
Speaker 5: Kevin Foodie asks about the buck Hunter video.
01:07:36
Speaker 2: Oh, great question, Kevin.
01:07:38
Speaker 5: I’m about halfway done. If I get it in time for the Meat Eater Radio Live Grand Finale, Live Extravaganza Live, we will air it there. If it’s not quite done and not where I want it to be, because you know, I want.
01:07:50
Speaker 1: To put put a little bit of time.
01:07:51
Speaker 2: Might have a teaser at least.
01:07:52
Speaker 5: Oh, we will definitely have. We can put a little teaser up. But it will be in the month of March. I will make that very loose promise if it will be in the spring sometime.
01:08:04
Speaker 3: I showed a chunk of it to a friend last weekend and he said, I think this is the best thing that you’ve ever done.
01:08:16
Speaker 5: That’s a let’s not set expectations that high, but it should be pretty good.
01:08:20
Speaker 2: No, no, but and then I said it was Phil that did it. It’s not me. I’m just Phil’s vessel.
01:08:25
Speaker 1: That’s a good way to put it. Uh, let’s go ahead.
01:08:28
Speaker 5: Okay, everyone’s mad at me because I’m not choosing this Pa, this Pennsylvania questions. Everyone keeps what I mean mostly Seth Jones is asking when you guys come into PA, preferably East Coast PA.
01:08:42
Speaker 1: For East PA. When I draw one of those ELK tags. Yeah, I’ll come to PA. That won’t be Eastern PA.
01:08:48
Speaker 3: But don’t have any PA trips scheduled, but we see you. Seth Jones fourteen to ten.
01:08:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I’ll be back for you know, Christmas or Thanksgiving or something. See the fan but not.
01:08:58
Speaker 2: Maybe related to introduce the fam to that the baby Verge, Baby Verge. Yeah, fascinating.
01:09:07
Speaker 5: Nate’s asking about media to Radio Live Extravaganza Finale Live Merch.
01:09:11
Speaker 1: Which we didn’t even think about. Oh we’re fools.
01:09:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could probably crank some that real quick.
01:09:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, I’ll grab some construction baker patch hat.
01:09:20
Speaker 1: We could. We could make old school looking patches.
01:09:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should have, like an I was there T shirt?
01:09:26
Speaker 1: Oh I watched it. I watched it.
01:09:28
Speaker 5: Did miss a segment. I could just say I watched it.
01:09:30
Speaker 3: Maybe when we have a final, when we have a final run time for the whole thing, we’ll just print that on a T shirt.
01:09:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we have no way of knowing if you actually watched it live, and we would still take your money. So if you didn’t watch it live and still want to buy the I watched it live merch feel free. Uh stolen valor, But that’s fine by me.
01:09:47
Speaker 2: The money is in merchandising. That’s merchandizing, merchandising merchandise.
01:09:51
Speaker 1: Let’s call it a day, boys, Are you serious? There’s nothing else in there? Huh? Got it? Okay, Randall’s just saying he’s hungry.
01:09:57
Speaker 2: Maybe with one good one, Phil quick, I get it.
01:10:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened to Brent Reeves? We never got to Brent.
01:10:05
Speaker 5: He just came in and chatted up the audience.
01:10:07
Speaker 2: Off, you’re from at all today?
01:10:10
Speaker 1: Asked several questions.
01:10:11
Speaker 2: But do I get to see them?
01:10:13
Speaker 1: Oh?
01:10:13
Speaker 2: No, we did. Yeah, that’s right. I remember Mogor’s question.
01:10:16
Speaker 3: Now, gosh, maybe I am people want pat Maybe I’m dragging this on.
01:10:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is.
01:10:25
Speaker 5: Just watching the live chat feed in silence.
01:10:30
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this for us, Phil, Time to sign off, Randall thanks for watching, folks. I tried to give you guys a clean out and you just butchered it. In the first and the.
01:10:39
Speaker 3: First time in met Eater radio lives history, one of the co hosts has told the hosts to end it, so we’ll leave you there.
01:10:46
Speaker 2: Thank you, good luck, we love you, good night.
01:10:50
Speaker 5: I’m not going to forget the outro this time.
01:10:52
Speaker 1: Thank you.
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